charger29 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 https://news.sky.com/story/top-english-clubs-in-bombshell-talks-to-join-european-premier-league-12109175 Another attempt at creating a super league. FIFA seem to have abandoned their club world cup and are now focusing on Europe. 2022 is mentioned but presumably aiming for post 2024, when the current UEFA TV deals finish, would make more sense. Usual clubs mentioned. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Teams like Juventus, PSG, Bayern Munich etc. absolutely hate the Premier League because of the financial advantage it gives English clubs. I can't see any way that the PL doesn't fold to the demands of the Big Six before this ever happens. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofarl Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 No mention of the two utter wee diddy teams up here eh. Sair yin. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, Lofarl said: No mention of the two utter wee diddy teams up here eh. Sair yin. North Atlantic League IMO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, Lofarl said: No mention of the two utter wee diddy teams up here eh. Sair yin. Wouldn't want to join this kind of thing tbh. Playing teams like Aberdeen means more to me because I know other Aberdeen supporters and we can talk about it. I don't know many Juventus supporters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Wouldn't want to join this kind of thing tbh. Playing teams like Aberdeen means more to me because I know other Aberdeen supporters and we can talk about it. I don't know many Juventus supporters.You didnt dump me, I dumped you [emoji23] 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I don't see any downside to this, it'll seriously open the gates for the Old Firm to move to England. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Its UEFA finally getting the wee closed shop, show pony cabal they have desperately wanted. It might not improve what you see on TV when you watch EPL, but it will improve football for football fans of the remaining clubs down South IMO.It will make not one iota of difference to me as a Falkirk fan, and it does have the added bonus that it may renew the interest of the arse cheeks to f**k off as Mr Alli says. Just get all these franchise mega clubs to f**k. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_mcshug Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Founder clubs can't be relegated for 20 years... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger29 Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 Its UEFA finally getting the wee closed shop, show pony cabal they have desperately wanted. This is apparently being done by FIFA without UEFA's backing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Is there anything that encapsulates everything that is wrong with modern football as much as this idea? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Be interesting to see what UEFA do in regards to this. German football is also curious as compared to the likes of the EPL & LaLiga the clubs & league have less of a global audience. The bigger club's fanbases will stretch into other Germanic nations like Austria & Switzerland but you won't say have Bayern Munich or Borussia Dortmund supporters in big numbers in 'markets' like Asia, Africa or the USA. Second paragraph is purely my armchair analysis & anecdotal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: You didnt dump me, I dumped you I mean, I've been pretty consistent on this for a long time. I don't want to join a European league, I don't want to move to England, I want to stay in Scotland. The OF would never get into this kind of thing anyway. The teams only generate any kind of interest in Scotland, which isn't the type of market these leagues are trying to tap into. What's more, the actual OF game is the only selling point for both Rangers and Celtic, and we primarily use the game to settle age-old questions about Irish history by shouting sectarian slurs at each other. Those in the ESL's target market simply don't care about Scotland, and they care even less about the relief of Derry 300 years ago. Old Firm fans thinking we'd ever get accepted into this type of thing are deluding themselves. The best way to defeat this kind of idea is to let the 18 teams go ahead and do it. Set up your own league and treat them with absolute hatred and derision. Just watch it become the footballing equivalent of the Harlem Globetrotters. Edited October 20, 2020 by G51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 It's in addition to domestic leagues, not in place of. Clubs want it to run alongside EPL/La Liga/etc. Basically replace CL/EL and cups. Must assume Liverpool and Man Utd's recent rushed attempt to cut EPL from 20 to 18 and scrap cups is connected. Would basically represent 'best of both worlds' for those 16-18 clubs involved... domestic £, domestic domination, continental £, continental closed-shop. Hard luck for everyone else, who end-up with even less chance of ever competing domestically, and contesting neutered domestic and continental cups. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: It's in addition to domestic leagues, not in place of. Clubs want it to run alongside EPL/La Liga/etc. Basically replace CL/EL and cups. Must assume Liverpool and Man Utd's recent rushed attempt to cut EPL from 20 to 18 and scrap cups is connected. Would basically represent 'best of both worlds' for those 16-18 clubs involved... domestic £, domestic domination, continental £, continental closed-shop. Hard luck for everyone else, who end-up with even less chance of ever competing domestically, and contesting neutered domestic and continental cups. They're talking about 30/34 games, with a 16/18 team league playing everyone home and away. That's not going to be in parallel with existing leagues. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, G51 said: They're talking about 30/34 games, with a 16/18 team league playing everyone home and away. That's not going to be in parallel with existing leagues. Article says different: https://news.sky.com/story/top-english-clubs-in-bombshell-talks-to-join-european-premier-league-12109175 Sources said that FIFA, football's world governing body, had been involved in developing the new format, which is expected to comprise up to 18 teams, and involve fixtures played during the regular European season. The top-placed teams in the league would then play in a knockout format to conclude the tournament ... If the discussions are successfully concluded, the European Premier League would effectively usurp UEFA's Champions League competition, which has been a mainstay of the continent's football calendar for decades. ... According to people close to the latest plans, the European Premier League would not be a breakaway in the sense of ending clubs' involvement in their domestic leagues. ... Sources said the result of the new format, if it gets off the ground, would be to give England's wealthiest clubs greater leverage in future negotiations with the Premier League and with broadcasters and sponsors. ... They added that the possibility of outright club defections from domestic leagues was not on the new tournament's "short-term agenda". ... Nevertheless, a decision to join the new European tournament will leave its participants exposed to the suggestion that they were enriching themselves at the expense of domestic rivals, exacerbating the already-vast financial gulf between teams at the top and bottom of the Premier League. ... Central to the new league would be the question of whether its fixtures are played in the existing slots allocated to Champions' League matches, or whether the prize of drawing vast live audiences in Asia and the US, as well as Europe, means there is an attempt to play them throughout the day at weekends. It emerged (this month) that Liverpool and Manchester United were leading a quest to reform the Premier League by cutting the number of teams from 20 to 18 and giving the so-called 'big six' and other long-standing shareholders in the top flight enhanced voting rights that would effectively hand them outright control. The League Cup, currently sponsored by Carabao, and the Community Shield, would also have been expunged from the calendar or played without the involvement of clubs taking part in European competitions. ... The prospective involvement of some of the top flight's elite clubs in a European super league format would help to explain their desire to curb the number of domestic fixtures to which they are committed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sortmeout Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, G51 said: I mean, I've been pretty consistent on this for a long time. I don't want to join a European league, I don't want to move to England, I want to stay in Scotland. You probably didn’t want your first club to die either but thems the breaks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger29 Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 There was another European club football story today. Rumours of UEFA wanting to extend the CL groups to 36 teams from 2024 to keep the mid-sized leagues happy and at the same time making a nice round number for the larger group stages they want.I think the FIFA backed idea will end up a bridge too far but the more the big European clubs chip away at UEFA with things like this the more chance of massive changes by 2024 favouring them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: Article says different: https://news.sky.com/story/top-english-clubs-in-bombshell-talks-to-join-european-premier-league-12109175 Sources said that FIFA, football's world governing body, had been involved in developing the new format, which is expected to comprise up to 18 teams, and involve fixtures played during the regular European season. The top-placed teams in the league would then play in a knockout format to conclude the tournament ... If the discussions are successfully concluded, the European Premier League would effectively usurp UEFA's Champions League competition, which has been a mainstay of the continent's football calendar for decades. ... According to people close to the latest plans, the European Premier League would not be a breakaway in the sense of ending clubs' involvement in their domestic leagues. ... Sources said the result of the new format, if it gets off the ground, would be to give England's wealthiest clubs greater leverage in future negotiations with the Premier League and with broadcasters and sponsors. ... They added that the possibility of outright club defections from domestic leagues was not on the new tournament's "short-term agenda". ... Nevertheless, a decision to join the new European tournament will leave its participants exposed to the suggestion that they were enriching themselves at the expense of domestic rivals, exacerbating the already-vast financial gulf between teams at the top and bottom of the Premier League. ... Central to the new league would be the question of whether its fixtures are played in the existing slots allocated to Champions' League matches, or whether the prize of drawing vast live audiences in Asia and the US, as well as Europe, means there is an attempt to play them throughout the day at weekends. It emerged (this month) that Liverpool and Manchester United were leading a quest to reform the Premier League by cutting the number of teams from 20 to 18 and giving the so-called 'big six' and other long-standing shareholders in the top flight enhanced voting rights that would effectively hand them outright control. The League Cup, currently sponsored by Carabao, and the Community Shield, would also have been expunged from the calendar or played without the involvement of clubs taking part in European competitions. ... The prospective involvement of some of the top flight's elite clubs in a European super league format would help to explain their desire to curb the number of domestic fixtures to which they are committed. Fair enough. I'd love to see them explain how they're going to fit over 70 games into a season. Edited October 20, 2020 by G51 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, Sortmeout said: You probably didn’t want your first club to die either but thems the breaks. You ever done a post that didn't involve you doing a Sevco mate? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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