Granny Danger Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 I hope the Democrats can carry out massive voter fraud turnout their full support and win the two Georgia Senate seats. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Why would Georgian republicans vote democrats in the runoff if he's appointing republicans anyway? Why would black Atlanta voters turn out to vote democrat?One likely to get a place will be Kasich who publically said to vote Biden and who made an appearance (albeit online) during the Democratic Convention. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: Why would Georgian republicans vote democrats in the runoff if he's appointing republicans anyway? Why would black Atlanta voters turn out to vote democrat? He obviously has to get the balance right but he definitely doesn't need to appoint radical socialistic types that will confirm moderates' fears before the run offs on Jan 5th. I'd chuck a couple of soft anti Trumpers in on a temporary basis but then I'm not a Dem strategist on the ground. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 36 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Libertarians don't like either side. They'll either vote for their candidate or not vote at all. In any case there has always been a small percentage of the vote going to other parties - anywhere between 3% to 5%. Sure, but there's no doubt they're much more Trumpy than Democrat. A similar thing happened last time, with the Green vote in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan being higher than the amount by which Clinton lost. Obviously those voters don't regard the Democrats as good enough, but surely they prefer them to Trump. FPTP sucks, and so does the electoral college. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Just now, MixuFruit said: Why not just not appoint till after the elections? One of the things Trump did pretty effectively was just railroad protocol around appointing/confirming people when it suited him. I don't think they'd start officially till after the handover and probably not until confirmed by the Senate. He could just propose them and drop them on Jan 6th. Just an idea, but I did hear somewhere that he's considering it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: Kasich will just vote with the republicans now Trump is gone surely? What does he gain by supporting the democrats in any meaningful way now that has been achieved? Kasich's interview on CNN yesterday essentially confirmed this. Lots of babbling about imaginary FAR LEFTISTS in the Democrat party and how Biden must reject them and instead be a moderate centre-right, hands across the aisle, side with us Republicans to get things done or else, Democrat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Arthur Symington Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 34 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said: Corrected my original post. Cheers Edit all you want and try as many P&B usernames as you can. You'll still be wrong, Andy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Miguel Sanchez said: It's Malky I think his style's more Jeremiah/Chairman Mao. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 19 minutes ago, welshbairn said: He obviously has to get the balance right but he definitely doesn't need to appoint radical socialistic types that will confirm moderates' fears before the run offs on Jan 5th. I'd chuck a couple of soft anti Trumpers in on a temporary basis but then I'm not a Dem strategist on the ground. Radical socialists? The Democrats aren't a far-left party. If anything, they're centre-right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Edit all you want and try as many P&B usernames as you can. You'll still be wrong, Andy.Lol. I've only ever had one other username and it wasn't "Andy". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gaz said: Radical socialists? The Democrats aren't a far-left party. If anything, they're centre-right. I'm talking Southern Republican here you goddam commie! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, yoda said: Kasich's interview on CNN yesterday essentially confirmed this. Lots of babbling about imaginary FAR LEFTISTS in the Democrat party and how Biden must reject them and instead be a moderate centre-right, hands across the aisle, side with us Republicans to get things done or else, Democrat. Nothing imaginary about the Dems having a far left fringe and the Republicans also clearly have a far right faction (they appear to have a genuine Nazi sympathizer on board now in the House from North Carolina). If you have a two party system, the parties are each going to cover a very broad spectrum of views. Biden is highly likely to do a Bill Clinton and cosy up to the RINO faction of the Republicans rather than push the agenda he initially got elected on. His record over the years is far from radical and he was added to the Obama ticket for precisely that reason. Edited November 8, 2020 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 (edited) It's not impossible for the Dems to take another seat in North Carolina, 1.7% behind with 3% of votes still to be counted according to the NYT, which they won't announce till Tuesday. Don't think that 3% includes everything, like votes from expats etc. In which case they would only need one win in Georgia. Edited November 8, 2020 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Nothing imaginary about the Dems having a far left fringe and the Republicans also clearly have a far right faction (they appear to have a genuine Nazi sympathizer on board now in the House from North Carolina). If you have a two party system, the parties are each going to cover a very broad spectrum of views. Biden is highly likely to do a Bill Clinton and cosy up to the RINO faction of the Republicans rather than push the agenda he initially got elected on. His record over the years is far from radical and he was added to the Obama ticket for precisely that reason. In the long run, if all Biden achieves in 4 years is to take the heat out of American politics, get the government functioning like a normal country, get a decent climate change plan going and shift Senate Republicans out of their Comrade Nyet behaviour, that could be enough. America's still in a dark place. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 President Trump was four years of publicity stunts and twitter feeds and saying whatever was going to set people off. Biden doing four years of just not being Trump is an improvement in itself. Remember the days when you weren't reminded on a daily basis who the American President was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Saints Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 (edited) Just when you think it can’t get worse for Donald... Edited November 9, 2020 by The Real Saints 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, The Real Saints said: Just when you thing it can’t get worse for Donald... Lock up his daughter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, GordonS said: ...get a decent climate change plan going... That will largely take care of itself at this point. The most easily exploited fossil fuel reserves have been largely tapped out so it is increasingly easy for renewables to compete without any state subsidies. Fracking has been a very bad investment for most of the people who got involved with it due to its extremely rapid depletion rates, so a post-COVID recovery for that sector is not going to be easy regardless of what Biden does. If oil supply had peaked back in 2008, as it would have in the absence of fracking and other unconventional sources, the technology wasn't in place yet for a relatively smooth transition away from fossil fuels and the world economy would have been in dire straits with Vlad and OPEC very much at the controls. Since then grid parity has been achieved with wind and solar and that meant coal had no chance of a renaissance even with Trump in power because market forces now favour renewables backed up by natural gas. Storage technologies are getting there to eventually remove more of the natural gas component even if they are not 100% there yet, and massive progress has also been made on electric vehicles with a range and performance that is genuinely practical enough to realistically get transportation off fossil fuels, so now if oil supply with fracking etc factored in really has peaked (as some believe but time will tell) the pieces are very much in place to slowly transition away. Although the USA gets a lot of grief from climate activists, large portions of that have happened there because their flexible venture capital market makes it relatively easy for people to explore risky new possibilities and walk away unscathed financially when they don't work. There are always people trying to sell worst case doomsday scenarios as being the likely future if we don't hand over power to them, but overall there are actually plenty of reasons for optimism over what lies ahead right now. Much more so than 15-20 years ago when Iraq was being invaded as part of a scramble to secure the last large easily exploited conventional crude oil sources. Edited November 8, 2020 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 In the long run, if all Biden achieves in 4 years is to take the heat out of American politics, get the government functioning like a normal country, get a decent climate change plan going and shift Senate Republicans out of their Comrade Nyet behaviour, that could be enough. America's still in a dark place.It might not be radical but getting their country back to something approaching normality would be an achievement - still a very divided country.If he can marginalise the extreme fringes in both parties he might just do it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: It might not be radical but getting their country back to something approaching normality would be an achievement - still a very divided country. If he can marginalise the extreme fringes in both parties he might just do it. Who do you regard as extreme left? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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