Burnieman Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 43 minutes ago, grinderbrokeyourhearts said: If there becomes a new barrier to promotion every year? It would have to be on the table. This stinks. It really wouldn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) As has been stated it's all at the behest of the Glasgow Mafia. Another problem is our media; it is full of ex-players of these two and sycophants who want to keep their privilege and position. So any proposition is never properly scrutinised and is viewed only from the perspective of how it benefits these two. Scottish Football is beyond a joke. Is there now any way forward for the pyramid or is it a busted flush. Edited March 10, 2023 by HorseyGhirl 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, HorseyGhirl said: As has been stated it's all at the behest of the Glasgow Mafia. Another problem is our media; it is full of ex-players of these two and sycophants who want to keep their privilege and position. So any proposition is never properly scrutinised and is viewed only from the perspective of how it benefits these two. Scottish Football is beyond a joke. Is there now any way forward for the pyramid or is it a busted flush. Well the pyramid as is in essence is not majorly impacted - clubs can still progress up and down pretty much as before. B teams are though parked in the structure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 6 hours ago, Brazilianlex said: It’s designed to get the votes from SPFL. Premier Clubs B Teams have access to a league so they will vote for it. Its a soft landing for relegated teams so L1 and 2 will vote for it and Championship don’t care so they won’t vote against it. Minor alteration only as Club 42 becomes Club 52. This is an oversimplification. Only a handful of Premiership clubs have any realistic intention of being able to run a B team, and having this league may be to the detriment of the rest. Championship clubs not caring about something doesn't mean they will vote for it, in some cases for similar reasons to the smaller Premiership clubs above. There are also a number of lower league SPFL clubs who have voted against the inclusion of colt teams on a consistent basis, and although this is designed to be a soft landing, I'm not sure they'd find the idea of dropping into a league full of B teams to be particularly appealing even if the money was better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 3 hours ago, Cowden Cowboy said: Can’t see it being difficult to set it up so it does count as SPFL in terms of 4 way agreement It is not Schrodinger's league, it is either part of the SPFL or it isn't. If it's part of the SPFL, the SPFL clubs have to vote for an expansion to 52 clubs. If it's not part of the SPFL, then it requires a change to the pyramid play-off rules, which requires support of SPFL/LL/HL. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilianlex Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, craigkillie said: It is not Schrodinger's league, it is either part of the SPFL or it isn't. If it's part of the SPFL, the SPFL clubs have to vote for an expansion to 52 clubs. If it's not part of the SPFL, then it requires a change to the pyramid play-off rules, which requires support of SPFL/LL/HL. I would strongly suspect that the SFA (aka Rangers & Celtic) have the bases covered and the strange suggestion of a separate company administered by the SPFL is in fact a legal way to avoid complications for them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Brazilianlex said: I would strongly suspect that the SFA (aka Rangers & Celtic) have the bases covered and the strange suggestion of a separate company administered by the SPFL is in fact a legal way to avoid complications for them. Missed the turmoil of Brechin trying to change the rules in their favour and then the SFA having to hold the Lowland League hostage over the covid related changes (scrapping the boundary & minimum number of games played). They couldn't just railroad through any changes. The agreement is for the bottom club in the SPFL. It's either a division of the SPFL or its not. EDIT: Also like to see someone explain the new SPFL League Cup and Challenge Cup formats. Edited March 10, 2023 by FairWeatherFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Looks like we have a handful of Cowdenbeath fans who think this is going to get them back into a national division somehow. Think the LL are meeting Monday to discuss this. Suspect we'll have a much clearer picture soon on whether this is going anywhere and there's not much point explaining the same thing to them over and over until then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 59 minutes ago, Cowden Cowboy said: Well the pyramid as is in essence is not majorly impacted - clubs can still progress up and down pretty much as before. B teams are though parked in the structure. Surely we want the pyramid to grow? We now have all the juniors in and new clubs have entered in both East and West below the dividing line. Above the line is also evolving. But instead of opening up the system, we still have the stagnation at Tier 5 above and below. Now there is the introduction of this new division shoehorned into the middle. The powers that be are paying lip-service to it only doing it because they have to be seen to be. This is purely to appease a few clubs at the top the rest are there just to feed their sense of achievement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 I'd like to know what the SFA are being offered or threatened with to make them come up with this utter fuckwittery. That, and chucking away the settled Tay boundary as soon as the pyramid was finally agreed. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandcowden Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 16 hours ago, glasgow-sheep said: Why not just set up a proper reserve league? Are a few games v brechin and Spartans really worth it? This isn't about young players playing competitively,it's about the arse cheeks having their eyes on potential European leagues in the future&wanting to maintain their presence domestically too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Just now, welshbairn said: I'd like to know what the SFA are being offered or threatened with to make them come up with this utter fuckwittery. That, and chucking away the settled Tay boundary as soon as the pyramid was finally agreed. The SFA board pushed through the pyramid when their president was from Cove Rangers. The SPFL kicked up a fuss over the Club 42 playoff when they had a Brechin City officeholder influencing decisions. Rod Petrie has been keen on B teams in the league system for at least a decade. Doubt they have to be threatened or offered anything. There are people on the SFA board who clearly think B teams are the key to helping the national team and probably nobody who really gives much of a toss about the pyramid concept. As with LL East and LL West this probably isn't going anywhere but they'll have been seen to fight the good fight and that will help them to keep their blazers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 10 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Looks like we have a handful of Cowdenbeath fans who think this is going to get them back into a national division somehow. Think the LL are meeting Monday to discuss this. Suspect we'll have a much clearer picture soon on whether this is going anywhere and there's not much point explaining the same thing to them over and over until then. You think that do you - based on next to nothing it seems 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strathman Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Just now, Strathman said: The first thing that needs to happen is for the Lowland League to vote against the B teams for next season. That puts the ball firmly back in the SFA court. They would then need the Scottish League clubs to vote for this pish. Why would they? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilianlex Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 30 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Looks like we have a handful of Cowdenbeath fans who think this is going to get them back into a national division somehow. Think the LL are meeting Monday to discuss this. Suspect we'll have a much clearer picture soon on whether this is going anywhere and there's not much point explaining the same thing to them over and over until then. Really ? 8 Clubs voted for the B Teams, Cowdenbeath wasn’t one of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, Strathman said: The first thing that needs to happen is for the Lowland League to vote against the B teams for next season. That puts the ball firmly back in the SFA court. They would then need the Scottish League clubs to vote for this pish. Why would they? Does anyone know if the LL clubs who voted for the B-teams have any regrets? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Brazil Forever Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 On 07/06/2022 at 20:32, Blue Brazil Forever said: Absolutely brilliant Tranent statement: The Statement issued last June by the Tranent Chairman is just as valid today. As long as the B teams are allowed to play under their own separate special league rules, there can be NO sporting integrity 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iateallthepies Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 If my club vote for this they have seen the last of me. You could be stuck in that new league forever. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PELE Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said: Looks like we have a handful of Cowdenbeath fans who think this is going to get them back into a national division somehow. Think the LL are meeting Monday to discuss this. Suspect we'll have a much clearer picture soon on whether this is going anywhere and there's not much point explaining the same thing to them over and over until then. I don't see how this (if it ever happens) will make any difference to Cowden. I would guess we would be left in the Lowland League, struggling to get into this "Conference League" and even if we somehow managed get promoted to it, it would be tough getting promoted from it to League 2. Yeah there might be 6 B teams in it, but it would effectively be a dogfight between 4 teams and if you are not a contender for promotion, then you are automatically a contender for relegation back to the Lowland League. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 This is a pile of absolute horse shite. The very fact that one of the strengths listed in the arguments for and against it is that it circumvents current democratic processes tells you all you need to know. The SFA is supposed to represent the will of its members and here it is, arguing that one of the positives of the proposal is that it, the SFA (the proposer), is off the hook from doing the job it is supposed to do. Ludicrous. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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