Les Cabbage Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Shame the SG won’t let fans travel abroad for this historical run. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Cabbage Posted April 10, 2021 Author Share Posted April 10, 2021 I was reading today there’s a chance we can draw Hibernians of Malta, if that happens and we can’t go then I don’t think it’s worthwhile us ever qualifying for Europe again, what could possibly be the point? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofarl Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 So this is still confusing. If we win the cup we go into the play off round of the Europa league. If we lose that we drop into this new conference league. But if we lose the cup the winners will get the same thing regardless of table position? Do we then just go through some qualifying rounds of this conference thing? This is due to St Johnstone throwing a tractor sized spanner into the works. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Lofarl said: So this is still confusing. If we win the cup we go into the play off round of the Europa league. If we lose that we drop into this new conference league. But if we lose the cup the winners will get the same thing regardless of table position? Do we then just go through some qualifying rounds of this conference thing? This is due to St Johnstone throwing a tractor sized spanner into the works. Yes, that’s about the size of it. If Hibs don’t win the cup, they’re in the Conference League qualifiers, where they’ll almost certainly get bodied. If they do win it, they’re guaranteed Conference League group stages, and if they fluke a win in their one-round qualifier they’re in the Europa League groups. Basically, whoever wins the cup gets group stage football until Christmas. Whoever doesn’t gets humiliated in the qualifiers like every other season, except the qualifiers are for an even worse competition this time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawford Bridge Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 15 hours ago, G51 said: Yes, that’s about the size of it. If Hibs don’t win the cup, they’re in the Conference League qualifiers, where they’ll almost certainly get bodied. If they do win it, they’re guaranteed Conference League group stages, and if they fluke a win in their one-round qualifier they’re in the Europa League groups. Basically, whoever wins the cup gets group stage football until Christmas. Whoever doesn’t gets humiliated in the qualifiers like every other season, except the qualifiers are for an even worse competition this time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Other Foot Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Ah well, thank God for unrestricted international travel. It doesn't really matter if we get dumped out early, at least we'll have the chance to go to some amazing places. Right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarapoa Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 On 26/04/2021 at 22:51, G51 said: Basically, whoever wins the cup gets group stage football until Christmas. Whoever doesn’t gets humiliated in the qualifiers like every other season, except the qualifiers are for an even worse competition this time. Being humiliated in the qualifiers would involve going out to a side you are seeded to knock out - especially from a country ranked below 30. McInnes' AFC never did this in seven seasons - and I think Hibs last two efforts produced decent efforts against Brondby and Asteras - before losing to comfortably Molde, who have a good pedigree. They wouldn't have been seeded against Malmo either - but it's hard to argue that wasn't a bit of a embarrassment, due to the arse collapse at Easter Road rather than the quality of opponent. In terms of real humiliations in recent times that would be Hearts v Birkirkara, Kilmarnock v Connahs Quay, Motherwell v Stjarnan, St Johnstone v Alashkert/Trakai and Sevco v Progres Niederkorn. The Red Final turd-o-meter explains things. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, tarapoa said: Being humiliated in the qualifiers would involve going out to a side you are seeded to knock out - especially from a country ranked below 30. McInnes' AFC never did this in seven seasons - and I think Hibs last two efforts produced decent efforts against Brondby and Asteras - before losing to comfortably Molde, who have a good pedigree. They wouldn't have been seeded against Malmo either - but it's hard to argue that wasn't a bit of a embarrassment, due to the arse collapse at Easter Road rather than the quality of opponent. In terms of real humiliations in recent times that would be Hearts v Birkirkara, Kilmarnock v Connahs Quay, Motherwell v Stjarnan, St Johnstone v Alashkert/Trakai and Sevco v Progres Niederkorn. The Red Final turd-o-meter explains things. Saving this for Aberdeen 0-2 Inter Turku 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMCs Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 On 26/04/2021 at 22:51, G51 said: Yes, that’s about the size of it. If Hibs don’t win the cup, they’re in the Conference League qualifiers, where they’ll almost certainly get bodied. If they do win it, they’re guaranteed Conference League group stages, and if they fluke a win in their one-round qualifier they’re in the Europa League groups. Basically, whoever wins the cup gets group stage football until Christmas. Whoever doesn’t gets humiliated in the qualifiers like every other season, except the qualifiers are for an even worse competition this time. The Cup winners will supposedly actually be seeded for the playoff round so getting Europa League group stage football is actually a decent shot. Some very tough draws but seem teams like Dudelange from Luxembourg too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Cabbage Posted May 24, 2021 Author Share Posted May 24, 2021 So, the draw is the 16th of June for the Intertoto Cup 2nd qualifying round and here’s an indication of who we could get, it’s not fully up to date but it’s a fair indicator, I expect they’ll regionalise the pots so we’ll be looking at the clubs from Faroes, Finland, Norway, possibly Sweden, Iceland, NI or Wales in all likelihood. You’ve got to expect us to win this round, it’s the next round it gets tricky 46 Klaksvík Far3 5.250 47 Servette Sui2 5.245 48 Aris Gre2 5.200 49 Ararat-Armenia Arm3 5.000 50 KuPS Fin3 5.000 51 Dinamo Brest Blr4 5.000 52 Dunajska Streda Svk2 5.000 53 Neftci Aze 5.000 54 Hafnarfjordur Isl2 5.000 55 Ashdod Isr3 4.875 56 Ironi Kiryat Shmona Isr4 4.875 57 Sutjeska Mne2 4.750 58 FC Santa Coloma And2 4.500 59 Partizani Alb3 4.250 60 Valerenga Nor3 4.200 61 Djurgarden Swe4 4.100 62 Hacken Swe3 4.100 63 Elfsborg Swe2 4.100 64 Lokomotiv Plovdiv Bul2 4.075 65 Arda Bul4 4.075 66 Piast Pol4 4.000 67 Laci Alb4 4.000 68 Liepaja Lat5 4.000 69 Hibernians Mal2 3.750 70 Levadia Est3 3.750 71 Sepsi Rom4 3.640 72 Sumqayıt Aze 3.375 73 Zira Aze 3.375 74 Stjarnan Isl3 3.250 75 Tobol Kaz2 3.125 76 Shakhter Karagandy Kaz4 3.125 77 Puskas Academia Hun2 3.100 78 Paks Hun4 3.100 79 Torpedo Zhodino Blr3 3.050 80 Pogon Pol2 3.025 81 Rakow Pol3 3.025 82 Mura Slo3 3.000 83 Petrocub Mol2 3.000 84 Shkupi Mac2 3.000 85 NSI Runavik Far2 3.000 86 Coleraine Nir2 2.750 87 Tre Penne Sma3 2.750 88 Zilina Svk3 2.725 89 Bala Town Wal3 2.500 90 Gzira United Mal3 2.500 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FortescueFotheringhamSmyth Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 UEFA are strange with the regional thing. Some countries get "moved" due to politics. Kosovo teams might not be welcome in some other ex-Yugoslav states. Teams from some ex-Soviet states that have problems with each other are also "moved" from their natural geographical position. I stand to be corrected, but I think a couple of random "Central" section countries usually get "moved" to our "North-West" section to "even things up", because the majority of countries up here have very low national and club coefficients. The four Scandinavian countries, Scotland and Belarus might be respectable. Luxembourg clubs are much improved, though Luxembourg isn't always in our section, but the rest of the British Isles, other North Sea islanders and the Baltics are crap! Slovenia and Hungary were "moved" up here last year. The three Slovenian clubs in the Europa League last season went to Iceland, Estonia and Norn Iron in the opening round. ("Slayers of the Scots" Maribor lost to Coleraine!... Doubtless to Motherwell's relief.) The three Hungarian clubs went to Sweden, Finland and Dublin. Since the Sheep went to Yugoslavia and Sainties went to look at Mount Ararat in 2015, all the Scottish clubs in the Europa League qualifiers have been drawn against "North-West" section opponents in Q2. (The "British" club has not been drawn in that section. I'd guess political reasons apply to that situation.) The weekend results across Europe confirm that Hibs are seeded for the Q2 draw. Some of the qualifiers from the summer leagues that ended last November are doing shite this year. Notably Dundalk (7th of 10 after 12 games in Ireland, but seeded, so can't play Hibs), Shakhtar Karagandy (12 of 14 after 12 games in Kazakhstan), Hacken (16th and bottom in Sweden after 8 games), Stjarnan (winless,12th and bottom after 5 games in Iceland) and Honka (4 losses in the first 5 games and 10th of 12 in Finland) Personally, I do not want to go to anywhere Nordic and I don't really want to go to any of the Baltic capitals. I'd prefer watching goats being sacrificed in Karagandy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jude Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 On 24/05/2021 at 09:19, Les Cabbage said: So, the draw is the 16th of June for the Intertoto Cup 2nd qualifying round and here’s an indication of who we could get, it’s not fully up to date but it’s a fair indicator, I expect they’ll regionalise the pots so we’ll be looking at the clubs from Faroes, Finland, Norway, possibly Sweden, Iceland, NI or Wales in all likelihood. You’ve got to expect us to win this round, it’s the next round it gets tricky 46 Klaksvík Far3 5.250 47 Servette Sui2 5.245 48 Aris Gre2 5.200 49 Ararat-Armenia Arm3 5.000 50 KuPS Fin3 5.000 51 Dinamo Brest Blr4 5.000 52 Dunajska Streda Svk2 5.000 53 Neftci Aze 5.000 54 Hafnarfjordur Isl2 5.000 55 Ashdod Isr3 4.875 56 Ironi Kiryat Shmona Isr4 4.875 57 Sutjeska Mne2 4.750 58 FC Santa Coloma And2 4.500 59 Partizani Alb3 4.250 60 Valerenga Nor3 4.200 61 Djurgarden Swe4 4.100 62 Hacken Swe3 4.100 63 Elfsborg Swe2 4.100 64 Lokomotiv Plovdiv Bul2 4.075 65 Arda Bul4 4.075 66 Piast Pol4 4.000 67 Laci Alb4 4.000 68 Liepaja Lat5 4.000 69 Hibernians Mal2 3.750 70 Levadia Est3 3.750 71 Sepsi Rom4 3.640 72 Sumqayıt Aze 3.375 73 Zira Aze 3.375 74 Stjarnan Isl3 3.250 75 Tobol Kaz2 3.125 76 Shakhter Karagandy Kaz4 3.125 77 Puskas Academia Hun2 3.100 78 Paks Hun4 3.100 79 Torpedo Zhodino Blr3 3.050 80 Pogon Pol2 3.025 81 Rakow Pol3 3.025 82 Mura Slo3 3.000 83 Petrocub Mol2 3.000 84 Shkupi Mac2 3.000 85 NSI Runavik Far2 3.000 86 Coleraine Nir2 2.750 87 Tre Penne Sma3 2.750 88 Zilina Svk3 2.725 89 Bala Town Wal3 2.500 90 Gzira United Mal3 2.500 Really wouldn't fancy us against Djurgarden or Elfsborg who are doing well in the Swedish league, Hacken are bottom. Valerenga sitting 6th in the Norwegian league would be a tough tie. Coleraine would be an interesting trip in July....... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FortescueFotheringhamSmyth Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 I've just done another nerd stat check. Looking at the clubs who enter in Q2 & those seeded to get there from Q1 and checking their results v. non-Glesca Scots over the past 20 seasons. We don't come out too well. Even against clubs entering at Q1 next month, the comfortable tankings of diddies have been tempered by a few embarrassments. The Gunts losing to Birkakara is the most glaring, but the Sheep have lost to Bohemians and Dundee lost to Vlaznia Shkoder. The Arabs lost to Slask Wroclaw in 2011. Scotland's coefficient may have plumbed the depths quite recently, but Poland dropping to 29th took some doing and means Slask are in Q1. Of 18 knockout ties v. this year's probable Q2 field, Scottish "provincials" (in Recordspeak) have won only 5. The Sheep & Gunts have both beaten Siroki Brijeg, the Sheep have beaten Rijeka, Sainties beat Rosenborg and Motherwell ousted the mighty Breithablik, who are the lowest ranked of this year's Q1 seeds. Steaua, Stjarnan and Hapoel Be'er Sheva have all despatched 'Well. AEK Athens have papped-out the Gunts & Arabs in addition to Hibs - and beaten Celtic too. Maribor have KO'd Hibs & the Sheep... and both erse cheeks. The Sheep have also lost to Rijeka & Apollon. The Pars lost to Hacken in their last Euro foray. Trnava beat Sainties. Hibs are 0-3, with Molde joining AEK & Maribor. There were a couple of wins from 3 games in the "5 teams / 4 games" UEFA Cup groups. Feyenoord beat the Gunts 3-0, but the Sheep beat Copenhagen 4-0 and the Gunts beat Basel 2-1. Both were almost out by the time of those games (the Gunts having their elimination confirmed by a Denes Rosa winner for Ferencvaros at Tynecastle in the final fixture.) The erse cheeks are far from unblemished v. the Q2 field either. The Harland & Wolff Works XI is 8-2, losing to Maribor & Feyenoord. The Romish Ragamuffins' Relief Fund XI is 12-4, losing to Basel, AEK, Maribor and Copenhagen. They were also "doubled" by Molde in a group and lost group games to Copenhagen & Rosenborg. It's a shite state of affairs. I wouldn't be booking any time off in the first half of August just yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FortescueFotheringhamSmyth Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 The pots for today's Q1 draw look standard. Most Northwest Zone teams are in mainly northwestern groups, but there are a few Central and Balkan sides in there. Bala Town are guaranteed northwestern opponents. TNS could go to Andorra and Newtown could go to Slovakia but their other possible opponents are all northwestern. Coleraine could go to Bosnia, Malta or Gibraltar. Larne sort of guaranteed a northwest tie - but "northwest" includes southern Poland, as Slask Wroclaw are in there. Sligo are in the Larne hat. Bohemians & Glentoran are also in the same hat and could go to Gibraltar or Malta. Dundalk could go to Macedonia. The pots for Q2 should be released about an hour after today's Q1 draw - so maybe just before 3 o'clock. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 GROUP 5 Seeded: 1 Gent (BEL) 2 AGF Aarhus (DEN) 3 Dudelange (LUX) 4 Hibernian (SCO) 5 Santa Clara (POR) Unseeded: 6 Shkupi (MKD) / Llapi (KOS) 7 Vålerenga (NOR) 8 Stjarnan (ISL) - Bohemians (IRL) 9 Mons Calpe (GIB) / FC Santa Coloma (AND) 10 Bala Town (WAL) / Larne (NIR) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Bala Town or Larne/ or the Team 9 would surely be the must have's in that draw. Vålerenga would be the must avoids. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 39 minutes ago, ArabAuslander said: Bala Town or Larne/ or the Team 9 would surely be the must have's in that draw. Vålerenga would be the must avoids. A trip to North Macedonia/Kosovo would have been amazing if fans were allowed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betting competition Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 51 minutes ago, Lyle Lanley said: A trip to North Macedonia/Kosovo would have been amazing if fans were allowed. One of my favourite football trips was Macedonia - so cheap hardly spent a penny for the 3 nights we was there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FortescueFotheringhamSmyth Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 52 minutes ago, Lyle Lanley said: A trip to North Macedonia/Kosovo would have been amazing if fans were allowed. An acquaintance who is a staunch follower of a British team went to Shkupi a few years back. Some restless natives blighted his trip. We can't go, but the utter Balkan bollocks that reared its head yet again in the Austria v North Macedonia game this week isn't something I have a lot of time for. I'd seal off the Balkans from the rest of Europe... but I'd send a couple of Arsenal players back "home" first. The erse cheeks are bad enough, but this "Albanian community" shite that defines Shkupi/Sloga belongs in the 1300s. As Mark Renton says of Mikey Forrester, I'd want nothing to do with the cnuts! Kosovo would be even worse... and we'd have maybe a 45% chance v. Shkupi/Sloga. Less than that as a percentage chance v. Valerenga, even though 11 points from 7 games is only a steady start in Norway this season. Gibraltar/Andorra is a bye. Larne/Bala would be hard to shag up. Bohs should best Stjarnan and I'd not be overly confident of our chances at Dalymount. Cannot complain about the selection of possible opponents though. Sheep could go to Sweden, Belarus or Kazakhstan, which are all at least as hard as Shkupi. Might get Sligo (nice town) or a bye in Lithuania. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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