Next to go?

[RateofKnots]

1 minute ago, FairWeatherFan said:

I've seen some plenty of reconstruction ideas before but 12-10-10-10-10-10-10-10 is horrifying.

Still better than b teams.

[Pyramid Watcher]

3 minutes ago, RateofKnots said:

You literally did in your post.

It was an example, given the last 3 have gone to the LL. The point still remains

[RateofKnots]

Just now, Pyramid Watcher said:

It was an example, given the last 3 have gone to the LL. The point still remains

Erm, Brechin went to the HL.

 

[Pyramid Watcher]

3 minutes ago, David W said:

I agree. Dropping into a league with Pollok, Clydebank, a couple of Ayrshire sides, Fraserburgh and the like wouldn't be bad at all on a weekend to weekend basis.

I see this quite a lot, this will be going into the 3rd year and the WoSFL haven’t produced a club to come up to the LL.

[Am Featha Taigh Nan Clach]

2 minutes ago, Pyramid Watcher said:

Then surely it would make sense to make as easy as possible to get back out of it? 

Even if the bottom 2 L2 went down straight away and HL/LL Champions went up automatically, it would still be hard to get promoted.

In my ideal scenario....

Tier 5 would be top 5 HL and top 5 LL teams, tier 6 would be 10-6 placed HL/LL teams and so on. There would then be the same promotion/relegation format as there currently is betwen L2 and L1.

I absolutely hate regionalisation. It is at that point things start to feel very tinpot and takes away the joy of travelling around the whole country. It would obviously have to kick in at some point though. In England it (very roughly) kicks in around the zone where full time and part time meet which is quite a good idea. In Scotland there are so many part time clubs of a similar level I don't want a huge number of them stuck in a regionalised league.

[Pyramid Watcher]

1 minute ago, RateofKnots said:

Erm, Brechin went to the HL.

 

So they did, good spot.

[ScottishLoon]

3 minutes ago, RateofKnots said:

LL currently has an uneven number of clubs.

True, but that's also because they need to open up promotion from tier 6.

[Pyramid Watcher]

Just now, ScottishLoon said:

True, but that's also because they need to open up promotion from tier 6.

Which is the same scenario at the top of the LL/HL re opening up tier 4

[RateofKnots]

1 minute ago, ScottishLoon said:

True, but that's also because they need to open up promotion from tier 6.

But they also have no issue running with an uneven number, so 2 sides going down wouldn't matter 

[ScottishLoon]

1 minute ago, Pyramid Watcher said:

I see this quite a lot, this will be going into the 3rd year and the WoSFL haven’t produced a club to come up to the LL.

Some varying different reasons for that however 

[ScottishLoon]

2 minutes ago, Pyramid Watcher said:

Which is the same scenario at the top of the LL/HL re opening up tier 4

Exactly 

[Pyramid Watcher]

1 minute ago, ScottishLoon said:

Some varying different reasons for that however 

The last one being that their champion club didn’t even have a license. The year before Darvel lost to Tranent, so all pretty straightforward.

[ScottishLoon]

Just now, Pyramid Watcher said:

The last one being that their champion club didn’t even have a license. The year before Darvel lost to Tranent, so all pretty straightforward.

There's also been COVID, and the weirdness with how auchinlecks seasons have been going.

[Marten]

4 hours ago, ScottishLoon said:

But then that starts a chain reaction of unfairly relegating clubs 

That's already the case. Had Brechin been promoted, instead of Spartans, Albion Rovers would still have gone down to the LL. The LL would have relegated Edinburgh University to the East of Scotland League and the 4th placed teams of EOS Div 1 & 2 + 3rd placed team of EOS Div 3 wouldn't have been promoted. These teams now got promoted to fill up the EOS Premier vacancy caused by Linlithgow Rose going up to the LL while no teams came down from the LL (as Dalbeattie Star went down to the South of Scotland League).

The LL, EOS & WOS all have rules how to deal with them ending up a team short or with a team too many due to promotion/releation.

[Jacksgranda]

5 hours ago, ScottishLoon said:

In an ideal situation the winners of the Highland league and lowland league both go up, however what happens if say Stranraer and Dumbarton finish in the bottom two what are we doing about that in terms of which league would they go into?

To me you would have to put the most northern club in the lowland league up to the Highland league to make space

This is a joke surely?

We had all these sort of posts before. "If Buckie Thistle win do Cowdenbeath go to the Highland League?"

 

[Donathan]

2 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:

This is a joke surely?

We had all these sort of posts before. "If Buckie Thistle win do Cowdenbeath go to the Highland League?"

 

That's exactly what happens in England. Tier 6 on the pyramid is fixed in size at 48 teams, and both the Conference North and Conference South are fixed at 24. If the teams relegated down from the Conference National are disproportionately one or the other, then teams can be swapped between the leagues to make up the numbers.

 

This happened to Bishop's Stortford this year who've been moved to the Conference North because 3 of the 4 relegated sides are from the South.

 

In Scotland we seem to be more okay with odd sized leagues.

[FairWeatherFan]

1 hour ago, Marten said:

That's already the case.

Exactly the same.

Right now both Highland and Lowland have to account for a +1 gain or -1 loss from the SPFL2 Play-off.

This situation with both Highland and Lowland champions promoted, they're left dealing with a potential +1 gain or -1 loss .

[ScottishLoon]

27 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:

This is a joke surely?

We had all these sort of posts before. "If Buckie Thistle win do Cowdenbeath go to the Highland League?",

I wasn't privy to those posts 

[Marten]

24 minutes ago, Donathan said:

That's exactly what happens in England. Tier 6 on the pyramid is fixed in size at 48 teams, and both the Conference North and Conference South are fixed at 24. If the teams relegated down from the Conference National are disproportionately one or the other, then teams can be swapped between the leagues to make up the numbers.

 

This happened to Bishop's Stortford this year who've been moved to the Conference North because 3 of the 4 relegated sides are from the South.

 

In Scotland we seem to be more okay with odd sized leagues.

In England it already results in odd situations like Bishops Stortford in the Conference North. In Scotland it would likely be far worse. As said, Cowdenbeath could have been moved to the Highland League. Over time it could result that the HL contains clubs from as far south as Edinburgh, it already happened that Edinburgh clubs were in the northern section in the League Cup groups (when it was still split north/south) or in the Challenge Cup.

Scotland's population spread is far too lopsided for a structure like that. England already have this problem despite having some major population centres in the north/midlands, like Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle and so on.

[ScottishLoon]

13 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Exactly the same.

Right now both Highland and Lowland have to account for a +1 gain or -1 loss from the SPFL2 Play-off.

This situation with both Highland and Lowland champions promoted, they're left dealing with a potential +1 gain or -1 loss .

I know I've said earlier that relegating teams outside of the relegation places would be unfair, however on the other side surely it's better to have the higher tiers (lowland/Highland) with a even number of teams by promoting the highest place sfa liscensed team in the league below where possible to avoid it.

Edited June 4, 2023 by ScottishLoon