welshbairn Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 Here you go, apparently vaccinating anyone under 18 goes against the natural order and will carry huge unspecified risks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 18 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Here you go, apparently vaccinating anyone under 18 goes against the natural order and will carry huge unspecified risks. Thanks i suppose it’s a fair point as that group are not in any great danger. Personally, I just don’t know what’s best? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 14 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Thanks i suppose it’s a fair point as that group are not in any great danger. Personally, I just don’t know what’s best? What's best is you continuing to post so we can all laugh at your dumb baby brain 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 21 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Thanks i suppose it’s a fair point as that group are not in any great danger. Personally, I just don’t know what’s best? We're expected to do stuff all the time for the collective good that doesn't necessarily benefit ourselves as individuals. If children were carrying a bug that they were immune to but directly killed the adults around them, and there was a vaccine that would sort it with zero evidence that it would be dangerous for the children, nobody would claim that it would be against the natural order for them to take it. So it's a balance of risk and reward. The benefits of vaccinating children in the current situation would be a big boost in herd immunity which would benefit everyone, versus a risk to children in later life that nobody has been able to pinpoint, even vaguely with any kind of precedent. It's a legitimate discussion as to whether the wider benefit outweighs any imagined risk, but the fearmongering rant from Oliver isn't the way to make a rational evaluation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDoddyKane Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 (edited) Its a more difficult question to answer than vaccinating adults thats for sure, I dont know at the moment what I think on that. I would need to hear more of the argument I dont think its been discussed enough as I havent read or heard anything thats putting the full picture out with pros and cons Edited July 4, 2021 by BigDoddyKane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 40 minutes ago, NotThePars said: What's best is you continuing to post so we can all laugh at your dumb baby brain Okay. What’s your take on it, then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 35 minutes ago, welshbairn said: We're expected to do stuff all the time for the collective good that doesn't necessarily benefit ourselves as individuals. If children were carrying a bug that they were immune to but directly killed the adults around them, and there was a vaccine that would sort it with zero evidence that it would be dangerous for the children, nobody would claim that it would be against the natural order for them to take it. So it's a balance of risk and reward. The benefits of vaccinating children in the current situation would be a big boost in herd immunity which would benefit everyone, versus a risk to children in later life that nobody has been able to pinpoint, even vaguely with any kind of precedent. It's a legitimate discussion as to whether the wider benefit outweighs any imagined risk, but the fearmongering rant from Oliver isn't the way to make a rational evaluation. Yes, I agree. It’s a very finely balanced decision and not one for ‘ranting’ either way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclizine Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 57 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Thanks i suppose it’s a fair point as that group are not in any great danger. Personally, I just don’t know what’s best? It's not just about individuals, it's about populations. I know your world view is based on individualism, but we also have a responsibility to society as individuals, you will probably disagree. Vaccinating less vulnerable groups is likely to reduce transmission of disease to more vulnerable groups as there are fewer hosts. A good example is the fact we vaccinate boys against HPV, when they're extremely unlikely to have issues from this virus, but in women it is the major cause of cervical cancer. We also aim to vaccinate as many who can take vaccines to protect those who can't have them for medical reasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 Could you clarify please? Was he ranting for or against vaccinating children and what were his reasons for that POV? What fake news are you talking about?He was appalled that it's even being considered, as the long term effects of the vaccine are unknown. But he was fully going for it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 19 minutes ago, Cyclizine said: It's not just about individuals, it's about populations. I know your world view is based on individualism, but we also have a responsibility to society as individuals, you will probably disagree. Vaccinating less vulnerable groups is likely to reduce transmission of disease to more vulnerable groups as there are fewer hosts. A good example is the fact we vaccinate boys against HPV, when they're extremely unlikely to have issues from this virus, but in women it is the major cause of cervical cancer. We also aim to vaccinate as many who can take vaccines to protect those who can't have them for medical reasons. I agree with you about ‘the greater good’ and we’ve certainly had our kids fully vaccinated against all the usual stuff but this is a case where youngsters aren’t themselves in any great danger and the safety aspects haven’t really been finalised. However, on balance, I’d probably go with it. Its a decision you can only make as a parent and one that needs to be considered carefully. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieThomas Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 As soon as a news outlet shares opinion, then it becomes no more news than Loose Women is. Beyond anything else, why the f**k would I need anyone else's opinion on the matters of the day? I've many of my own, some of which I'd even share in public. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 2 hours ago, NotThePars said: What's best is you continuing to post so we can all laugh at your dumb baby brain This is v poor. There are lots of people on here I don’t necessarily agree with and some can be more articulate than others (and DPB is IMHO at the more articulate end of the spectrum) but the idea that only those in alignment with your own views are on the same intellectual plane as yourself marks you out as the one with the shortcomings I’m afraid. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, alta-pete said: This is v poor. There are lots of people on here I don’t necessarily agree with and some can be more articulate than others (and DPB is IMHO at the more articulate end of the spectrum) but the idea that only those in alignment with your own views are on the same intellectual plane as yourself marks you out as the one with the shortcomings I’m afraid. The guy is clearly at it mate and not even entertaining with it like Kincy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Neil Oliver advising people on immunology? When considering sources of information and advice about major public (and personal) health issues, it never occurred to me to place much value on the opinions of someone whose only significant 'qualification' appears to be that he is a freelance archaeologist. Still, each to his/her own, I suppose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 17 hours ago, alta-pete said: This is v poor. There are lots of people on here I don’t necessarily agree with and some can be more articulate than others (and DPB is IMHO at the more articulate end of the spectrum) but the idea that only those in alignment with your own views are on the same intellectual plane as yourself marks you out as the one with the shortcomings I’m afraid. I disagree that it was v poor. I greenied the original because i found it funny, particularly the phrase "dumb baby brain". In retrospect, though, that metaphor bears little scrutiny as babies learn a lot, really fast. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmer Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Many on here think they are or have been "vaccinated". They have not. They have been injected with an mRNA gene altering DRUG. The long term effects are unknown and the timescale for testing (5-10 years) has been ignored under "emergency" legislation, when in fact there was no "emergency". This medical fraud will continue until you lose all your freedoms and civil rights. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, jimmer said: Many on here think they are or have been "vaccinated". They have not. They have been injected with an mRNA gene altering DRUG. The long term effects are unknown and the timescale for testing (5-10 years) has been ignored under "emergency" legislation, when in fact there was no "emergency". This medical fraud will continue until you lose all your freedoms and civil rights. Even if they are taking the piss, can we ban anti vaxxers please 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 On 04/07/2021 at 13:01, welshbairn said: Here you go, apparently vaccinating anyone under 18 goes against the natural order and will carry huge unspecified risks. Does this just apply to the covid vaccines, or vaccinations in general? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDoddyKane Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) Ive had both vaccines and will take the booster but if im honest I wouldnt be surprised if some f**k up with the vaccines comes out, however unlikely it seems Edited December 13, 2021 by BigDoddyKane 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 20 minutes ago, jimmer said: Many on here think they are or have been "vaccinated". They have not. They have been injected with an mRNA gene altering DRUG. The long term effects are unknown and the timescale for testing (5-10 years) has been ignored under "emergency" legislation, when in fact there was no "emergency". This medical fraud will continue until you lose all your freedoms and civil rights. Go and boil your head. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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