Jim McLean's Ghost Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ro Sham Bo said: I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that Rangick has somehow managed to make Man Utd worse than under OGS. He is attempting to bring a whole new philosophy while his superstar Ronaldo doesn't give a f**k about anything but scorign goals and being loved. I 100% beleive he bottled taking the freekick at the end because he wouldn't want the flack if he ballooned it over the bar. Man Utd is a badly constucted squad. Players don't fit together, there is no system to put players into because the players don't want it. Ragnick is going to continue to see these half arsed performances for the forseeable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanmistermustard Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) It's another performance from Man U where too many players don't have the want to put the effort in and the tactics etc are so bad no one has a clue what's expected. Same problems as from Ole's time in charge and will likely only be gotten rid of with a clear out which isn't hindered by sentimentality. Edited January 3, 2022 by meanmistermustard 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, Ro Sham Bo said: I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that Rangick has somehow managed to make Man Utd worse than under OGS. I kind of think they are much the same so far. Rangick hasn’t had much time to change things yet, but they seem to just have a team of individuals who don’t seem to want to play as a team. I don’t know how you change that easily, not with egos there like Ronaldo etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds are Forever Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Angus_Don said: Rashford, Sancho and even Greenwood are just bang average football players much like the rest of the team. United are miles off competing. When Phil Jones looks like your best player u know you.re in trouble Most of the team is like that - in addition to the ones you mention AWB, Shaw, Maguire, Jones, Lindelof, McTominay, Matic, Fred, Martial. De Gea has improved this season but has been poor for the last few seasons so can't really be relied upon. People in the media keep saying Man Utd's squad is 'talented', compared to who exactly? Certainly not compared to the teams they are hoping to compete against. They're relying on signing arguably the best player ever to paper over the cracks, but even he can't continually save them. He's no longer the player that will create something from nothing, he'll get you goals if you get the ball to him around the box but as we saw tonight they are struggling to manage that so he becomes ineffective. Solskjaer was a dreadful appointment and they effectively wasted 2 years with him in charge, however the core of their problem over the last decade has been dreadful recruitment. They have spent eye watering amounts of money yet still have a squad with all the players mentioned above. Edited January 3, 2022 by Diamonds are Forever 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Remember at half time in Rangnick's first game when the pundits were giving it the cliched nonsense about how you could already see he had put his stamp on the team. That was indistinguishable from the worst of Ole's displays. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds are Forever Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jambomo said: I kind of think they are much the same so far. Rangick hasn’t had much time to change things yet, but they seem to just have a team of individuals who don’t seem to want to play as a team. I don’t know how you change that easily, not with egos there like Ronaldo etc. Anyone who suggests that Ronaldo is a 'problem' seems to get roundly mocked and all his goalscoring stats shoved in their face, which I get. However I do think there is a serious debate to be had at the club over the impact he will have on the longer term planning of the club. I don't think anyone with a brain would suggest that right now not having him in the team makes them better. But the only way Man Utd are going to catch up with City and Liverpool is if they embed some kind of way of playing that can be worked on and improved over 2 or 3 years, and then appropriate players brought in to suit that style. For as long as Ronaldo is there I think that becomes very hard for whoever the coach is because he has to play and the team has to play to his strengths because right now he is their best player. So any longer term plans kind of get put on hold. Of course the other side is that without him they'd already be out the Champions League and be further down the league which causes financial issues and makes the club less attractive to other players. I'm not sure what the solution is but I think he creates a dilemma for whoever the next coach is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ro Sham Bo said: I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that Rangick has somehow managed to make Man Utd worse than under OGS. My thought exactly. Rangnick's tactics are predictably negative and boring. It seems that several of the players couldn't give a toss and have given up on him already. United need to bring in a top manager in January. Edited January 3, 2022 by Bishop Briggs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 It’s harsh to be critical of Sancho already. He needs time to learn the Barclays and play against elite teams likes Wolves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 I think Gilmour should study Moutinho. He plays left foot and right foot and pass and pass. Disguise and slide. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David W Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 It's always enjoyable when a "top" team literally can't be bothered running about. If Wolves could score goals they would have ran riot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8MileBU Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Deanburn Dave said: 3 hours ago, 8MileBU said: Phil Jones was Man Utd’s best player Probably the maddest post you've ever posted 8mile. Wasn’t just me that said it, but it’s true! That’s how shite Man Utd are. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 @J_Stewart 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 I think folk are being harsh on Rangnick. Inherited a poor, unprofessional squad from everything I saw under Solksjaer. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 It was inevitable that, once he was on the team sheet, that Wolves would score from a Phil Jones assist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 United are unquestionably Barclays. Still get big calls in their favour, still get talked up, when a team beats them it gets claimed as a huge deal, fans applauding them off the pitch after a display of pure ineptitude. Great stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 11 hours ago, David W said: It's always enjoyable when a "top" team literally can't be bothered running about. If Wolves could score goals they would have ran riot. I'm no body language expert but looking at them there it's not a surprise they lost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Ferguson's Hat Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Unbelievable banter. Only a scouser could come up with that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabGaz Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, Diamonds are Forever said: Anyone who suggests that Ronaldo is a 'problem' seems to get roundly mocked and all his goalscoring stats shoved in their face, which I get. However I do think there is a serious debate to be had at the club over the impact he will have on the longer term planning of the club. I don't think anyone with a brain would suggest that right now not having him in the team makes them better. But the only way Man Utd are going to catch up with City and Liverpool is if they embed some kind of way of playing that can be worked on and improved over 2 or 3 years, and then appropriate players brought in to suit that style. For as long as Ronaldo is there I think that becomes very hard for whoever the coach is because he has to play and the team has to play to his strengths because right now he is their best player. So any longer term plans kind of get put on hold. Of course the other side is that without him they'd already be out the Champions League and be further down the league which causes financial issues and makes the club less attractive to other players. I'm not sure what the solution is but I think he creates a dilemma for whoever the next coach is. He is still scoring plenty of goals himself but Man United’s average goals per (league) game this season is lower than it has been in each of their previous 5 seasons. Same at Juventus. The three seasons he was there he scored plenty but Juve overall scored more in the 3 seasons prior to him signing. On an individual level his stats are incredibly impressive but it seems to very much to the detriment of the team so long may it continue. Edited January 4, 2022 by ArabGaz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 United were horrendous in two of the three games they played before Ronaldo signed too, so I'm not sure we can say he's definitely had a negative effect overall. They were a shambles under Solskjaer and I think that was gonna happen with or without Ronaldo. I think he limits how much a new manager can progress the side, though, and that's clearly bad. I've wondered all season how he would've worked at City. The sensible answer would be that he'd come on when they were chasing a goal and start every so often against shit teams, but I can't imagine him being happy with that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 I think folk are being harsh on Rangnick. Inherited a poor, unprofessional squad from everything I saw under Solksjaer.They finished 2nd and reached the Europa League final last season. They'd finished in the top 3 in both full seasons under Solskjaer in fact, something they'd done only once between Ferguson leaving and him taking over.He might have had some utterly embarrassing results and have been out of his depth a bit, but he was still their best manager since Ferguson. Rangnick was a very weird option to replace him, a guy who had basically been out of top level management for more than a decade, with one brief exception. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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