9/11 Memories

[Fullerene]

I wonder if anyone remembers where they were with the previous 9/11 attack, also a Tuesday, when planes attacked the presidential palace, the president died and the perpetrators were quickly recognised as the new government of Chile.

[Granny Danger]

38 minutes ago, Fullerene said:

I wonder if anyone remembers where they were with the previous 9/11 attack, also a Tuesday, when planes attacked the presidential palace, the president died and the perpetrators were quickly recognised as the new government of Chile.

Back in the day I worked beside a guy who flew Chile with his family after the coup; he was a photographer and active in the trade union movement.

He rarely spoke about the events but what he did share described an horrendous experience.

 

[Jacksgranda]

3 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Back in the day I worked beside a guy who flew Chile with his family after the coup; he was a photographer and active in the trade union movement.

He rarely spoke about the events but what he did share described an horrendous experience.

 

I knew a couple of ex Japanese PoWs. They never talked about it either.

Also a couple of men who were at Dunkirk. Similar.

[Meldrew]

16 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Cheney openly admits he gave the order to shut down the plane, its not a point of contention. I believe that the hostages attempted to retake the plane and the terrorists crashed it, I dont see why the americans would cover it up if they did shoot it down given they openly admit they gave the order to do so. If you watch the timeline of that day they were so slow to even get a fighter escort for air force one that I completely believe it went down before they could get a fighter anywhere near it. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-401315/Flight-93-shot-claims-book.html

[craigkillie]

11 hours ago, Hillonearth said:

Must have been a nightmare flying if you looked vaguely Middle Eastern for quite a a while afterwards

This seems to still be the case, and it really does seem to be even vaguely non-white looking. Worked with someone in Australia around 2017ish (ie just after Trump had come in) whose sister went to visit her son who worked in finance in New York. All as Aussie as you could get, but with light brown skin - I didn't ever find out their exact background but had assumed Italian or some other Mediterranean.

When the sister got to US immigration she was asked why she was there and said she was visiting her son who worked there. She was apparently told "go and visit him, enjoy your week in New York and then tell him to come home with you and get the hell out of our country". This sounds so ludicrous to me that I would assume it was made up, but I had absolutely no reason to doubt the story.

[hk blues]

20 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

This seems to still be the case, and it really does seem to be even vaguely non-white looking. Worked with someone in Australia around 2017ish (ie just after Trump had come in) whose sister went to visit her son who worked in finance in New York. All as Aussie as you could get, but with light brown skin - I didn't ever find out their exact background but had assumed Italian or some other Mediterranean.

When the sister got to US immigration she was asked why she was there and said she was visiting her son who worked there. She was apparently told "go and visit him, enjoy your week in New York and then tell him to come home with you and get the hell out of our country". This sounds so ludicrous to me that I would assume it was made up, but I had absolutely no reason to doubt the story.

Wouldn't the fact that it sounds so ludicrous be reason enough to doubt it? 

[welshbairn]

Just now, hk blues said:

Wouldn't the fact that it sounds so ludicrous be reason enough to doubt it? 

I wouldn't doubt it for a moment, US immigration turned well nasty after 9/11. Went over in 2004 and they were being c***s just for the sake of it, before they used to joke around and be pretty friendly, to me anyway.

[hk blues]

1 minute ago, welshbairn said:

I wouldn't doubt it for a moment, US immigration turned well nasty after 9/11. Went over in 2004 and they were being c***s just for the sake of it, before they used to joke around and be pretty friendly, to me anyway.

I've been in and out there countless time pre and post 9/11 - they were obnoxious c***s before and after in general.  I just can't see them coming out with such overtly racist statements in full view/earshot of the public.  I'd very much doubt it happened as described.  

That said, I wouldn't be astounded.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

1 hour ago, Meldrew said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-401315/Flight-93-shot-claims-book.html

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5688/debunking-911-myths-flight-93/

[Gnash]

15 hours ago, Hillonearth said:

Must have been a nightmare flying if you looked vaguely Middle Eastern for quite a a while afterwards - I remember I had to fly to Hannover for a meeting along with a few colleagues about ten days afterwards - the way the seating worked we were all separated.

One empty seat on the plane next to me, and about 10-15 minutes delay on the flight until a guy in full Arab dress walks on and takes it.

All I hear is a "Wooohh-aaaah" noise from my scattered workmates along the lines of the noise you'd hear when an opposing keeper takes a bye kick.

Cheers guys.

 

 A bit off topic, but a few weeks after the 7/7 attacks in London, I was travelling on the tube.  It was fairly packed with loads of people standing but I spied a free seat, which promptly took.

Then I saw the reason it was free - in the next seat there was a woman wearing a headscarf and a large backpack, reading (and mumbling) from the Koran while rocking back and forth.  

But I was brave and kept the seat.  She got off without incident 2 stops later.

Edited September 2, 2021 by Gnash

[throbber]

15 hours ago, Rugster said:

There was no footage of an aeroplane flying into the first tower for days after the attack. The only footage is from a fly on the wall documentary which didn’t surface  for a good time afterwards. 

I remember George W made this exact same clanger when he was addressing an audience who asked him about his memories of 9/11. He said before he went to speak at the primary school he saw the plane hit on a wee screen and thought to himself “that’s an awful pilot”. Needless to say it sent the conspiracy theory world into overdrive.

[Christophe]

6 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

So what your saying is you were the real victim of 9/11 because it ruined your hot boy summer?

I'm still plotting my revenge against the Saudis/Taliban/CIA (delete as appropriate)

[scottsdad]

16 hours ago, Hillonearth said:

Must have been a nightmare flying if you looked vaguely Middle Eastern for quite a a while afterwards - I remember I had to fly to Hannover for a meeting along with a few colleagues about ten days afterwards - the way the seating worked we were all separated.

One empty seat on the plane next to me, and about 10-15 minutes delay on the flight until a guy in full Arab dress walks on and takes it.

All I hear is a "Wooohh-aaaah" noise from my scattered workmates along the lines of the noise you'd hear when an opposing keeper takes a bye kick.

Cheers guys.

 

Airport security was mental everywhere. In (I think) November 2001 I was flying back from a lab in France with a colleague who is an archaeologist. In his hand luggage he had a shoe box full of soil samples he had just analysed. The flight back stopped at Manchester and we were stopped at security. He was asked to open the shoe box, which he did, and inside were large glass slides, enclosing thin sections of soil samples. The airport security guy asked my mate to explain what these were. 5 minutes later, after getting a quick explanation of faecal spherulites from 1000 years ago (to work out what sheep ate 1000 years ago, apparently) the guy let us through.

[Guest]

As an idiot 16 year old I went straight from higher modern studies to Warout woods to get tanked up for Raith Montrose, which did go ahead.

My mate did mention it over the tins of Omega but only realised the full significance of the attack the next day.

[Hillonearth]

18 hours ago, Rugster said:

There was no footage of an aeroplane flying into the first tower for days after the attack. The only footage is from a fly on the wall documentary which didn’t surface  for a good time afterwards. 

I think it goes back to that false memory thing I was talking about earlier in the thread where I feel it happened in the morning our time even though I found about it as I came back into my office at lunchtime. By the time the second plane hit, every news camera in the city was probably trained on the buildings, so we saw the second one from so many different angles we've all - including Bush - managed to convince ourselves we saw both of them in real time which makes no real sense.

The only footage AFAIK that exists of the first one was from that (French?) documentary crew that were filming down the road and turned round to see what all the noise was about when the plane flew low overhead.

[Sherrif John Bunnell]

The second plane hitting was definitely broadcast live, you can see it at 10:55 in this video.

 

[Thereisalight..]

I had just finished modern studies class and was walking up the corridor when a girl was running the opposite direction saying planes had crashed into buildings and the world was ending. I got to the school library and looked through the window and saw it on the TV there. Came home and watched the news all night with my parents 

[sophia]

5 hours ago, Gnash said:

 A bit off topic, but a few weeks after the 7/7 attacks in London, I was travelling on the tube.  It was fairly packed with loads of people standing but I spied a free seat, which promptly took.

Then I saw the reason it was free - in the next seat there was a woman wearing a headscarf and a large backpack, reading (and mumbling) from the Koran while rocking back and forth.  

But I was brave and kept the seat.  She got off without incident 2 stops later.

Did the patrons clap?

[Thereisalight..]

5 hours ago, Gnash said:

 A bit off topic, but a few weeks after the 7/7 attacks in London, I was travelling on the tube.  It was fairly packed with loads of people standing but I spied a free seat, which promptly took.

Then I saw the reason it was free - in the next seat there was a woman wearing a headscarf and a large backpack, reading (and mumbling) from the Koran while rocking back and forth.  

But I was brave and kept the seat.  She got off without incident 2 stops later.

Reminds me of when I went to NY by myself in 2012. My first time travelling abroad on a plane. I went on the subway and a guy got on after a few stops, he started swaying, chanting and holding a book. Honestly thought he was on a suicide mission. Never felt so relieved when he got off about 10 mins later. Tbh if he'd have been a Christian fundamentalist or some Zionist jew acting the same way I'd probably lay have been just as terrified. 

[Rob1885]

First heard about it whilst playing pool at the Fisherman’s Mission in Lerwick.
Could be speaking absolute rubbish here but around the ten year anniversary seem to remember discussions that anyone in the UK who saw the second plane hitting live on BBC or ITV was actually misremembering, it wasn’t shown live on UK tv.

Yes you are speaking absolute rubbish [emoji23][emoji23]