Steve McQueen Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 (edited) I think Rangers fans not understanding the TV screen signal is the only recent plus point for VAR? Edited September 4, 2023 by Steve McQueen 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Steve McQueen said: I think Rangers fans not understanding the TV screen signal is the only recent plus point for VAR? It wasn't that; it was the difference between the signal for the award of a direct free kick, and pointing towards the centre circle they didn't understand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 I don't think they make the TV signal if they are sticking with the original decision. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiviLion Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 Just now, craigkillie said: I don't think they make the TV signal if they are sticking with the original decision. Yep, any time I've seen them keeping the decision (as rare as it is) they just wave for play on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 (edited) Audio from some VAR incidents in the Premier League this season, would be good if the SFA could do this at some point. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12955649/match-officials-micd-up-premier-league-in-game-audio-shown-in-new-programme-on-sky-sports Edited September 5, 2023 by Ginaro 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden God Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 Have seen this mentioned a few times since Sunday but is “clear and obvious” actually mentioned anywhere in the rules? People seem to act like a ref has had to miss a player being shot in the box to give a penalty. The foul on Sunday was (to the letter of the law) a foul, it doesn’t matter if was “soft” or not. Handballs and dangerous play for red cards can be subjective but things like offside and fouls like that one in the build up are objective (according to the rules) even if they aren’t “clear and obvious”. It took Robertson about 10 seconds to change his mind so he was clearly pretty convinced. My point is about the wider use of VAR not just this weekend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flybhoy Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 4 hours ago, The Golden God said: Have seen this mentioned a few times since Sunday but is “clear and obvious” actually mentioned anywhere in the rules? People seem to act like a ref has had to miss a player being shot in the box to give a penalty. The foul on Sunday was (to the letter of the law) a foul, it doesn’t matter if was “soft” or not. Handballs and dangerous play for red cards can be subjective but things like offside and fouls like that one in the build up are objective (according to the rules) even if they aren’t “clear and obvious”. It took Robertson about 10 seconds to change his mind so he was clearly pretty convinced. My point is about the wider use of VAR not just this weekend. It was a VAR decision that cost Rangers in a big game, hence the collective heads gone as denying the sons of William refereeing breaks, particularly against Celtic just isn't on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 6 hours ago, The Golden God said: Have seen this mentioned a few times since Sunday but is “clear and obvious” actually mentioned anywhere in the rules? People seem to act like a ref has had to miss a player being shot in the box to give a penalty. The foul on Sunday was (to the letter of the law) a foul, it doesn’t matter if was “soft” or not. Handballs and dangerous play for red cards can be subjective but things like offside and fouls like that one in the build up are objective (according to the rules) even if they aren’t “clear and obvious”. It took Robertson about 10 seconds to change his mind so he was clearly pretty convinced. My point is about the wider use of VAR not just this weekend. Yes, it is basically the very first thing mentioned in the VAR section of the laws of the game. https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/video-assistant-referee-var-protocol/#principles 1. A video assistant referee (VAR) is a match official, with independent access to match footage, who may assist the referee only in the event of a ‘clear and obvious error’ or ‘serious missed incident’ in relation to: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 7 hours ago, craigkillie said: Yes, it is basically the very first thing mentioned in the VAR section of the laws of the game. https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/video-assistant-referee-var-protocol/#principles 1. A video assistant referee (VAR) is a match official, with independent access to match footage, who may assist the referee only in the event of a ‘clear and obvious error’ or ‘serious missed incident’ in relation to: So, as I've said before, an incident doesn't have to be "clear and obvious" to be changed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_F Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 … is shite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 On 05/09/2023 at 22:35, Ginaro said: Audio from some VAR incidents in the Premier League this season, would be good if the SFA could do this at some point. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12955649/match-officials-micd-up-premier-league-in-game-audio-shown-in-new-programme-on-sky-sports Not audio but the transcript of dialogue between VAR officials re. Luis Diaz clusterfuck. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/oct/03/var-audio-full-transcript-luis-diaz-goal-liverpool-tottenham 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 14 hours ago, Florentine_Pogen said: Not audio but the transcript of dialogue between VAR officials re. Luis Diaz clusterfuck. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/oct/03/var-audio-full-transcript-luis-diaz-goal-liverpool-tottenham It is like a comedy script. Referee: Well done boys, good process. seconds later VAR: I can’t do anything. I can’t do anything. *expletive* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 I’ve heard the audio from the error in disallowing the Liverpool goal. What a shambles. It blows my mind that there’s not clear protocol on terminology and dialogue between the var officials to prevent misinterpretations like this. It sounds like a bunch of mates having a chat about it down the pub. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooj Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 minute ago, PauloPerth said: I’ve heard the audio from the error in disallowing the Liverpool goal. What a shambles. It blows my mind that there’s not clear protocol on terminology and dialogue between the var officials to prevent misinterpretations like this. It sounds like a bunch of mates having a chat about it down the pub. Yeah, in cricket, there is almost a script that they follow as they go through each element of the check, and they reiterate the original decision before confirming/overturning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Just now, Dooj said: Yeah, in cricket, there is almost a script that they follow as they go through each element of the check, and they reiterate the original decision before confirming/overturning. I was thinking about the comparison with cricket as well, night and day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, PauloPerth said: I was thinking about the comparison with cricket as well, night and day. Seems to be the VAR official that has made a rip roaring c**t of it, surely stopping the game the seconds or so after would've been a better call that to just go "nah nothing I can do now mate". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 They recognised 2 seconds after the restart. call it back They can call it back of they want. Yes they can. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 28 minutes ago, Empty It said: Seems to be the VAR official that has made a rip roaring c**t of it, surely stopping the game the seconds or so after would've been a better call that to just go "nah nothing I can do now mate". Especially as the ball was out of play for a throw in. He just seemed to accept the mistake and wanted to move on. Surely better to suffer a moment’s embarrassment than ending up with where he is now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, PauloPerth said: Especially as the ball was out of play for a throw in. He just seemed to accept the mistake and wanted to move on. Surely better to suffer a moment’s embarrassment than ending up with where he is now. Even when corrected by the other VAR guy he was just "nah f**k it done now" as if it wouldn't come back to bite him on the arse, can't see him getting another game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 The moment you allow the restart you can’t call it back-ever. Making a mistake, even as bad as this one is better than completely ignoring your remit and doing something you know for certain isn’t allowed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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