NotThePars Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Standing in front of the Bastille on the afternoon of 14th July 1789 and imploring the crowd to think of all the prison guards who aren't able to get to work and feed their families. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 31 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: Car drivers are just entitled as f**k. Constantly moaning about other road users whether they be motorcyclists, buses, bicycles, pedestrians, etc. Usually from a position of incredible ignorance as well... bleating on about road tax and other imaginary devices of their own invention. Yet, despite this weird self proclaimed ownership of the roads they also believe they have a right to the pavement as well for parking on. I pay my fucking road tax! (My car is actually exempt, but my point remains) -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Sergeant Wilson said: I pay my fucking road tax! (My car is actually exempt, but my point remains) No. You don't. No one does. Road tax doesn't exist. Roads are kept by the central government or local councils. Despite almost never using the roads at all I pay just as much for their upkeep as car owners. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 minute ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: No. You don't. No one does. Road tax doesn't exist. Roads are kept by the central government or local councils. Despite almost never using the roads at all I pay just as much for their upkeep as car owners. Oh Asim... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 18 minutes ago, Left Back said: What if you're a climate scientist trying to get to your work? Then you should be taking the train/bus/unicycle to work. 9 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: No. You don't. No one does. Road tax doesn't exist. Roads are kept by the central government or local councils. Despite almost never using the roads at all I pay just as much for their upkeep as car owners. Do you pay vehicle tax? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Then you should be taking the train/bus/unicycle to work. So electric cars are bad as well? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empty It Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 No. You don't. No one does. Road tax doesn't exist. Roads are kept by the central government or local councils. Despite almost never using the roads at all I pay just as much for their upkeep as car owners. What is the yearly tax people pay on their cars/vans then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Left Back said: So electric cars are bad as well? They're better but not perfect. You're still using a national grid powered by fossil fuels (43% seems to be the figure I can see online) to charge them, and we're not quite sure how we're going to recycle their batteries yet I don't think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorongil Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Yes, expecting to be able to use the road without extremists lying down on it. How entitled. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empty It Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 They're better but not perfect. You're still using a national grid powered by fossil fuels (43% seems to be the figure I can see online) to charge them, and we're not quite sure how we're going to recycle their batteries yet I don't think. So if all personal vehicles that use any sort of power are bad what's the solution to people that need to take heavy essential equipment to do their job? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Empty It said: So if all personal vehicles that use any sort of power are bad what's the solution to people that need to take heavy essential equipment to do their job? You're throwing a point at me that I haven't even argued here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 So if all personal vehicles that use any sort of power are bad what's the solution to people that need to take heavy essential equipment to do their job?No one wants to acknowledge it, and on some cases people rail against it by using the "we all have to make sacrafices" chat but if you look around you, we live in a world where convenience is the driver for everything. EVs are better but less convenient and thats a problem. Public transport is better but less convenient and thats a problem. I gave the example already that I literally cannot use public transport to get to work on a dayshift. Personal vehicles are here to stay until the convenience gap is bridged significantly, and until that time, pricing them out of reach would be hugely unpopular. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empty It Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 You're throwing a point at me that I haven't even argued here. Sorry if that's how it come across I was genuinely just wondering if you had an idea of a solution, wasnt having a go at you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWorldwideJr Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 4 hours ago, Thorongil said: In love protests and civil disobedience. It’s great and there should be more of it. sitting in the middle of the road is over that line. It’s dangerous and completely stupid, and it’s an attack on the general public rather than policy makers. Repeat offenders should certainly get short jail sentences. If your line is 'sitting in the middle of the road' then, no, you don't love protests and civil disobedience. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDoddyKane Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 29 minutes ago, The Moonster said: They're better but not perfect. You're still using a national grid powered by fossil fuels (43% seems to be the figure I can see online) to charge them, and we're not quite sure how we're going to recycle their batteries yet I don't think. Recycling batteries is a big issue they need to address and the mining of the rare metals used in them and mobile phones for rxample is horrific . theres other questions too, how to fill the gap in taxes raised when electric cars are in majority, maybe theres ideas how to do that i just havent heard them yet 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, Empty It said: Sorry if that's how it come across I was genuinely just wondering if you had an idea of a solution, wasnt having a go at you. My solution would be to invest a ridiculous amount of money in our public transport infrastructure and do what Bairnardo is asking - make it extremely convenient for people to use. If you massively reduce the number of gas guzzling cars being used every day and cut the percentage of those cars using gas it would make a huge difference. We need the main grid to be supplied from clean sources as well, but I accept my solution to that probably wouldn't see me voted in as Prime Minister. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 We live in a societySo true [emoji17] 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Recycling batteries is a big issue they need to address and the mining of the rare metals used in them and mobile phones for rxample is horrific .Is it worse than any other type of mining? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDoddyKane Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, DiegoDiego said: Is it worse than any other type of mining? forced child labour, other mining may have that also but Ive not heard that it does Edited November 18, 2021 by BigDoddyKane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorongil Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 3 hours ago, MrWorldwideJr said: If your line is 'sitting in the middle of the road' then, no, you don't love protests and civil disobedience. I decide. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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