Germany and the Nazis

[Benjamin_Nevis]

Folk who equate the likes of Stalinism with modern left wing politics are frankly fucking idiots.

[Moomintroll]

That said, the far right are bigger arseholes than the far left will ever be. But lets not pretend that extremism of any stripe is harmless.

[Mark Connolly]

1 hour ago, The Master said:

When I was doing my Standard Grades then Highers in the early-mid 2000s, the history department got a new Principal Teacher who had a real interest in American history. I was one of the first years where my school picked the American stuff from the options given by the SQA.

Absolutely nothing on the War of Independence, though. Or at least nothing I remember - there might have been some brief context for the other stuff. Most of what I know about the revolution has come from playing Assassin’s Creed 3 and using Wikipedia to look more into the historicity. 

 

[MacDonald Jardine]

1 hour ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

The zeppelin fields south of Nürnburg, best known as the setting for the Nuremberg rallies are worth a visit

The postwar city council inherited massive monumental lumps of nazi architecture and was faced with a quandary. That makes Bristols Coulston statue issue seem like a piece of piss

Obviously they couldn’t maintain these historic buildings but they couldn’t bulldoze them either they destroyed the swaztikas and eagles but left most of the structures intact.

The upshot is it now feel as if it’s the ruins of an ancient empire. As if the thousand year reich happened and that was a 1000 years ago. You feel as if something massive happened there but it feels remote from the present.

Compared to bulldozing the whole site and burying the evidence it’s probably the best way to go.

The exception is the old Hitler youth stadium which is now home to 1fc Nürnburg although it’s been redeveloped a lot in the last 70 years so I doubt much of the original is still intact

The Olympic Stadium in Berlin still has eagles and swastikas. It feels bizarre. 

[Todd_is_God]

19 minutes ago, MacDonald Jardine said:

The Olympic Stadium in Berlin still has eagles and swastikas. It feels bizarre. 

It doesn't really. The ones that do remain have been defaced. Usually by filling the corner in.

 

[Dan Steele]

Wait a minute. Fresh from starting a 'Where are you on the political spectrum' somebody with the initials SS starts on about the Nazis?

[topcat(The most tip top)]

The Olympic Stadium in Berlin still has eagles and swastikas. It feels bizarre. 

Did you go for a piss there?. The urinais are amazing!10 foot high slabs of black Marble

[German Jag]

1 hour ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

The zeppelin fields south of Nürnburg, best known as the setting for the Nuremberg rallies are worth a visit

The postwar city council inherited massive monumental lumps of nazi architecture and was faced with a quandary. That makes Bristols Coulston statue issue seem like a piece of piss

Obviously they couldn’t maintain these historic buildings but they couldn’t bulldoze them either they destroyed the swaztikas and eagles but left most of the structures intact.

The upshot is it now feel as if it’s the ruins of an ancient empire. As if the thousand year reich happened and that was a 1000 years ago. You feel as if something massive happened there but it feels remote from the present.

Compared to bulldozing the whole site and burying the evidence it’s probably the best way to go.

The exception is the old Hitler youth stadium which is now home to 1fc Nürnburg although it’s been redeveloped a lot in the last 70 years so I doubt much of the original is still intact

You have to walk past the Zeppilinfeld on the way from Frankenstadion station up to the stadium. Popped in once when on the way to an H96 game. Couple of hundred tourists, most of them in selfie mode. Bit of a contrast to what it would‘ve been like in the 30s with Adolf doing his rants to umpteen thousand pissed up Germans. Large parts of the crowd were trained in from all over the country, with most of the people deciding that tanking a carry-out was the best way to pass the time.

Next to the H96 stadium, there‘s a monument dedicated to sport/athleticism etc. Originally put up by the Nazis, was one of a small number of buildings/monuments which didn‘t get flattened in the course of the war. Hannover council kept, but removed the Swastika underneath the eagle.

 

[MacDonald Jardine]

35 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

It doesn't really. The ones that do remain have been defaced. Usually by filling the corner in.

 

I'm sure that wasn't the case when I was there but that's a few years ago.

It was  touted as the only place in Berlin you'd openly see Nazi insignia.

In contrast there's an incredible Soviet war memorial in East Berlin. 

[MacDonald Jardine]

22 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

Did you go for a piss there?. The urinais are amazing!10 foot high slabs of black Marble

I did. The whole place was amazing,  if a bit bizarre. 

[Todd_is_God]

1 minute ago, MacDonald Jardine said:

I'm sure that wasn't the case when I was there but that's a few years ago.

It was  touted as the only place in Berlin you'd openly see Nazi insignia.

In contrast there's an incredible Soviet war memorial in East Berlin. 

Whilst that picture was taken in 2017, it was certainly also the case when I first visited in 2013 (but without the sticker).

Can't say anything about before then, though.

[NotThePars]

Folk who equate the likes of Stalinism with modern left wing politics are frankly fucking idiots.

Correct. Stalin actually attained power and achieved something.

[Clockwork]

The zeppelin fields south of Nürnburg, best known as the setting for the Nuremberg rallies are worth a visit

The postwar city council inherited massive monumental lumps of nazi architecture and was faced with a quandary. That makes Bristols Coulston statue issue seem like a piece of piss

Obviously they couldn’t maintain these historic buildings but they couldn’t bulldoze them either they destroyed the swaztikas and eagles but left most of the structures intact.

The upshot is it now feel as if it’s the ruins of an ancient empire. As if the thousand year reich happened and that was a 1000 years ago. You feel as if something massive happened there but it feels remote from the present.

Compared to bulldozing the whole site and burying the evidence it’s probably the best way to go.

The exception is the old Hitler youth stadium which is now home to 1fc Nürnburg although it’s been redeveloped a lot in the last 70 years so I doubt much of the original is still intact

I managed to visit the Zeppelin Fields and the nearby Nazi Documentation Centre, whilst working in Nuremberg for a few days back in the Spring of 2019. The photo’s taken here show the comparison of today’s view with those at the height of the Rallies 1933-38 (including the elevated podium where Hitler delivered his infamous orations to the assembled masses) and the extent of the Third Reich’s ‘nerve centre’ in the South East of the City. 
 










Edited January 3, 2022 by Clockwork

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3 hours ago, NotThePars said:

Always funny that the Victims of Communism people include the Wehrmacht in their numbers. I think someone said they had started adding Covid deaths in as well.

Only fair the virus came from those pesky communists in China.

Sent to destroy capitalism or something probably.

[Wee-Bey]

3 hours ago, NotThePars said:

Always funny that the Victims of Communism people include the Wehrmacht in their numbers. I think someone said they had started adding Covid deaths in as well.

[Jacksgranda]

1 hour ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

Did you go for a piss there?. The urinais are amazing!10 foot high slabs of black Marble

Great setting for who can piss the highest...

[topcat(The most tip top)]

There were about half a billion Chinese people alive when Mao started his long march in 1934. Only a tiny minority of them survive today

[vikingTON]

Pretty sure that the average Chinese citizen would rather have the emerging superpower under the auspices of the CCP than the anarchic nick of China from the 1840s to 1949 - exacerbated by foreign imperialism on literally every single front until 1917. 

The Taiping Rebellion for example was hardly a picnic in terms of the ordinary citizen's experiences, yet achieved nothing of long-term consequence. Same goes for literally all of the fascist regimes of the twentieth century and their bankrupt 'ideology'.

[Flybhoy]

Nazis....  booooo

[Flybhoy]

9 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

There were about half a billion Chinese people alive when Mao started his long march in 1934. Only a tiny minority of them survive today

The SNP cult will attribute this to Covid and argue for another lockdown.