TheScarf Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, forameus said: No, it's to give a sense of reward to those that have performed better in the previous stage. We deserve to be seeded for doing better than, say, North Macedonia. Aye, it's completely different to keeping nations apart due to politics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, forameus said: No, it's to give a sense of reward to those that have performed better in the previous stage. We deserve to be seeded for doing better than, say, North Macedonia. Seeding in the playoffs is for that reason. Seeding in the original groups is, quite rightly, to ensure that every group is of roughly the same level of difficulty with a single entrant from each pot, thus avoiding a scenario where 6 of the best 15 teams are all in the same group meanwhile Belarus end up winning their group consisting of Malta, San Marino, Gibraltar, Narnia and Western Neptune. I get why some people don’t like seeding but it’s absolutely a fair system imo. I actually prefer it now that the UNL is used as an objective way of climbing up the pots rather than flawed fifa ranking which can be manipulated by playing friendlies against Outer Mongolian under 15’s on the second Thursday after a full moon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Donathan said: Seeding in the playoffs is for that reason. Seeding in the original groups is, quite rightly, to ensure that every group is of roughly the same level of difficulty with a single entrant from each pot, thus avoiding a scenario where 6 of the best 15 teams are all in the same group meanwhile Belarus end up winning their group consisting of Malta, San Marino, Gibraltar, Narnia and Western Neptune. I get why some people don’t like seeding but it’s absolutely a fair system imo. I actually prefer it now that the UNL is used as an objective way of climbing up the pots rather than flawed fifa ranking which can be manipulated by playing friendlies against Outer Mongolian under 15’s on the second Thursday after a full moon. Yeah, I was purely talking about playoffs, but it's similar for the groups. Seeding makes sense. Whilst I'd quite like to see everything go open draw for the pure unbridled chaos, it doesn't really work in a serious football competition. It's certainly not comparable to splitting countries up for political reasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Ultimately, if you can’t ensure a safe environment for every country you’re drawn to face then you don’t belong in the competition. Some of those conflicts seem particularly one sided tbh. I don’t think Israel would have a problem playing against an Arab side, for example. Likewise Armenia would be perfectly happy to host Azerbaijan but not vice versa. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Hang on, if Armenia and Azerbaijan don’t play each other due to clashes over the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region, how come there’s no issue with Moldova playing Ukraine despite the fact that they are also in a conflict over a region (Transnistria)? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 In the AFC North & South Korea play each other as do the the various middle eastern states who don't exactly get along with each other. China play Taiwan as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 How many teams can Kosovo not play in total? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiviLion Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Get the game(s) played at a neutral venue behind closed doors, if anyone complains about a "disadvantage" tell them to sort their government out. We'll soon see that wars are all a bit silly and world peace achieved thanks to the game of football soccer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, TheScarf said: How many teams can Kosovo not play in total? Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia and Russia. Not entirely sure what their beef with Russia is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Donathan said: Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia and Russia. Not entirely sure what their beef with Russia is. Same as the other two - that they don’t recognise Kosovo’s independence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 2 hours ago, oneteaminglasgow said: Same as the other two - that they don’t recognise Kosovo’s independence. Funnily enough - that came to a head recently as Spain didn't list Kosovo's flag and called them the "territory/federation of Kosovo" as Spain (for Catalan and Basque reasons) also doesn't recognize what is clearly an independent country - its anthem would be announced as “music donated by the territory of Kosovo rather than a national anthem. Even El Chiringuito got in on the patter: Ireland and France were also on the list of prohibited clashes after the Henry Incident, which was odd. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 It's an absolute fucking nonsense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 17 minutes ago, ArabAuslander said: Ireland and France were also on the list of prohibited clashes after the Henry Incident, which was odd. Did this actually happen? I have zero memory of this 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocketman Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Donathan said: Hang on, if Armenia and Azerbaijan don’t play each other due to clashes over the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region, how come there’s no issue with Moldova playing Ukraine despite the fact that they are also in a conflict over a region (Transnistria)? well would say that: a) there are other players involved in the Moldova/Transnistria issue. Its not just Ukraine - there is also Romania, with of course the Russian influence looming large as it does with other "break-away" states in the region including those in the Caucasus. b) a lot of countries under the FIFA umbrella have territorial disputes with neighbours. Not every dispute is as bitter as that over NK and although it sometimes sours bilateral relations, countries are not in a de-facto state of war because of their territorial dispute. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 7 hours ago, killiekranky said: Should teams be allowed to dictate who they will and won't play ? No. If you can't understand the difference between politics and football then you shouldn't be allowed to play in a tournament. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Can we ask to never play Israel again? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoo61 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Do Greece and North Macedonia not have beef then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 39 minutes ago, Stoo61 said: Do Greece and North Macedonia not have beef then? Not since they agreed to be North Macedonia. I think it was more of a big flouncy huff situation than a, "oh, you want to be Macedonia, huh? Well, how about we just re-unite you with the rest of Macedonia, then!" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raidernation Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Well, then, historically we can not play england as they’ve tried to subjugate us many times 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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