Silvio Tattiescone Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 Quote Justifying Vladimir Putin’s call to “denazify” Ukraine, Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov argued that Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky’s Jewish ancestry did not matter. “So what if Zelensky is Jewish? The fact does not negate the Nazi elements in Ukraine. I believe that Hitler also had Jewish blood,” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/zelensky-jewish-hitler-lavrov-russia-b2069625.html Now has he learned from Trump that spouting the most outrageous bullshit leads to control of the media narrative, or did Trump learn from the Russians? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 13 hours ago, ICTChris said: My earlier posts were mixed up. All of them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 21 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: All of them? Most 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 10 hours ago, jagfox said: Isn't the point of nukes to act as a deterrent? They seem to be acting as a target just now 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 31 minutes ago, 101 said: Isn't the point of nukes to act as a deterrent? They seem to be acting as a target just now They are probably the reason nobody is thinking about invading Russia itself. However Russians outside of Russia are considered fair game. Same as when they were in Afghanistan or when Americans were in Vietnam or Korea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 Is there a reason that Russia's nuclear rhetoric is repeatedly being aimed at the UK as opposed to say Germany, France or the US? Maybe I've just not came across them, but their state media seems quite focused on taking us out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said: Is there a reason that Russia's nuclear rhetoric is repeatedly being aimed at the UK as opposed to say Germany, France or the US? Maybe I've just not came across them, but their state media seems quite focused on taking us out. The UK hardly buys any of their oil and gas so they won't have to try and make up when this mess is over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BFTD Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 8 hours ago, Newbornbairn said: Now has he learned from Trump that spouting the most outrageous bullshit leads to control of the media narrative, or did Trump learn from the Russians? They both picked it up from Mussolini, did they not? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 12 minutes ago, ICTChris said: That's an awful long way from Ukraine, just this side of the Urals. If it was a Ukrainian rocket they could be bombing the Kremlin. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 Yeah far too far away for a rocket or air attack. It could be sabotage which would be fairly terrifying from a Russian perspective. It could also just be general accidents, which obviously happen. These factories will be working at a breakneck pace to keep up with demand, this will probably make accidents more likely. It could also be that sanctions are starting to impact import of machine parts for repairs and maintenance. Anyway, I saw someone mention this guy on Twitter, he may have made some appearances on this thread. Solid, solid analyst. Very accurate. Very accuracy. Much reputation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 Explained Throbber style. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 58 minutes ago, ICTChris said: If it is really bad they will have to change the name to Temp. Oh dear, I will leave now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: That's an awful long way from Ukraine, just this side of the Urals. If it was a Ukrainian rocket they could be bombing the Kremlin. Think it's safe to assume it isn't a rocket. The power plant on Sakhalin going on fire recently was even more mind boggling in distance from Ukraine terms and those two happening in quick succession after the solvent factory in Moscow and research institute in Tver points quite strongly to a pattern of widespread active sobotage. Unless the Russians are simply spectacularly inept at the moment (Valery Gerasimov allegedly meeting dozens of senior staff officers within Ukrainian artillery range makes that difficult to entirely discount) cyber attacks are probably the most credible way that could be coordinated without any high profile arrests of saboteurs happening inside Russia. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 John Pilger being branded a Nazi is a definite highlight for the thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 29 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Think it's safe to assume it isn't a rocket. The power plant on Sakhalin going on fire recently was even more mind boggling in distance from Ukraine terms and those two happening in quick succession after the solvent factory in Moscow and research institute in Tver points quite strongly to a pattern of widespread active sobotage. Unless the Russians are simply spectacularly inept at the moment (Valery Gerasimov allegedly meeting dozens of senior staff officers within Ukrainian artillery range makes that difficult to entirely discount) cyber attacks are probably the most credible way that could be coordinated without any high profile arrests of saboteurs happening inside Russia. I've worked in Sahkalin if a rocket from Ukraine destroyed something there then they have secret weapons imo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 Saw this article in the Irish press about the calls for Ireland to increase defence spending and invest in their armed forces https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/irish-defence-forces-not-fit-for-purpose-say-finnish-officials-1.4867585 I guess a similar conversation would happen here in the event of Scotland becoming independent. The SNP changed their position on NATO pre referendum very explicitly to make them appear more credible on defence. I think Salmond said in the debate that was the reason for the change, rather than any developments in thinking of policy or deep support of NATO. Since then the SNP top brass have been a lot less radical and separate on foreign and defence policy. There have been ‘delegations’ of SNP MPs visit Kyiv and offer support pre War etc and the First Minster even expressed support for a no fly zone. In general though defence policy isn’t much of an issue in Scottish elections. I wonder if the Ukraine war will change that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandcowden Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 3 hours ago, bennett said: Explained Throbber style. So is the circle the right an encircled Ukrainian pocket?are they trying to link with that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Detournement said: John Pilger being branded a Nazi is a definite highlight for the thread. All Russia Today stoogies can comfortably be placed in that category. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Detournement said: John Pilger being branded a Nazi is a definite highlight for the thread. More of a highlight than your moonhowling takes trying to justify the invasion? Not for me to say, Clive. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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