ICTChris Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Polish foreign ministry has said it was a Russian rocket. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 hour ago, SweeperDee said: Talk that some believe the attack was Russia deliberately poking NATO to see what they will do; pretty sure that triggers Article 5 if it turns out that is the reason why a Russian missile landed in Poland. Think the US AND China need to have words with everyone and try to stop it from boiling over. Article 5 doesn’t require the attack to be “intentional” or such, just that it occurred within a certain geographic area and struck a NATO member. If this was a deliberate test of NATO’s resolve, it is insane. Striking at a power line, within 500m of a primary school, with a weapon reported to have a CEP of 50-100m, but whose accuracy in this conflict has been reported as significantly worse, is the epitome of folly. This could easily result in a NATO CAP over western Ukraine with instructions to splash anything heading west. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 https://news.yahoo.com/belarus-calls-tenders-print-50-162107016.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw&tsrc=twtr 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Impact was at 3:40PM local time. Amazed there was no child hurt. Top retired General states it doesn’t rise to the Article 5 criteria, but may well result in provision of advanced jets and more anti-air systems to Ukraine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, SweeperDee said: https://news.yahoo.com/belarus-calls-tenders-print-50-162107016.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw&tsrc=twtr You would have thought there were loads of old Gestetner machines kicking about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 6 hours ago, ICTChris said: Polish foreign ministry has said it was a Russian rocket. Biden saying it was Ukraine firing at an incoming Russian missile. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 In time at least, might this actually be a catalyst for putting pressure on Zelensky and Ukraine to try and compromise? Or will it be the green light for more advanced equipment being sent? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 21 minutes ago, Elixir said: In time at least, might this actually be a catalyst for putting pressure on Zelensky and Ukraine to try and compromise? Or will it be the green light for more advanced equipment being sent? Assuming it was an anti-air missile launched against an attacking missile, Russia still takes the hit for targeting somewhere close to the Ukrainian border with a neutral with a weapon whose attempted interception could have been foreseen. If it was a wild missile without a nearby target, Ukraine gets tarred. Either way, should have been a sobering few minutes in the Kremlin! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP_MFC Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Hopefully it will lead to some of Zelenskyy’s rhetoric being dialled down at the very least. Understandably he’s trying to paint Russia in as bad a light as possible but in the immediate aftermath of this he was calling on article 5 etc and for all other nations to attack Russia. Yes this wouldn’t have happened had the Russians not launched their barrage but he needed to keep his powder dry with regards to this until the facts became known. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 I still hope this leads to a "you have used up all your chances" conversation from the US tbh. No doubt there will now be plenty of tedious "flash flag" shite flying about that Ukraine plan to hit Poland again to trigger a response. Russia don't appear able to win in Ukraine by and definition of win. They also can't get out without admitting defeat to Ukraine which seems unlikely.Let them admit that the loss of their entire Navy off the back of another stray missile isn't something they can accept and slither back into their box 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 The important thing to remember about Russia killing people in Poland is it's America's fault, m'kaay.© Detournement 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Elixir said: In time at least, might this actually be a catalyst for putting pressure on Zelensky and Ukraine to try and compromise? Or will it be the green light for more advanced equipment being sent? The problem with Ukraine "compromising" is every time they recapture a town or city they find evidence of war crimes and atrocities. Russia is murdering, raping, forcibly deporting and stealing the children of Ukrainians. What Ukrainian leader could abandon his people to that? 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Quote Looking at the crater, it looks a wee bit big for the S-300, but a little small for a Kalibr missile…a lot depends on where it explodes relative to the ground and structures. In case there is any doubt. I think some of the people who post on this thread are absolute bullshit merchants. I mostly ignore them, they fill in facts gleaned from watching youtube videos on "army stuff" with wild assumptions. When ever there is a crisis like last night, find credible people with decades of specialist knowledge and take your opinions from them, they will mostly say "wait till we have the facts". 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 11 minutes ago, dorlomin said: In case there is any doubt. I think some of the people who post on this thread are absolute bullshit merchants. I mostly ignore them, they fill in facts gleaned from watching youtube videos on "army stuff" with wild assumptions. When ever there is a crisis like last night, find credible people with decades of specialist knowledge and take your opinions from them, they will mostly say "wait till we have the facts". Oh shut up! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CambieBud Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 36 minutes ago, dorlomin said: In case there is any doubt. I think some of the people who post on this thread are absolute bullshit merchants. I mostly ignore them, they fill in facts gleaned from watching youtube videos on "army stuff" with wild assumptions. When ever there is a crisis like last night, find credible people with decades of specialist knowledge and take your opinions from them, they will mostly say "wait till we have the facts". You are quite right. The first casualty in every war is the truth. Too many people both here and elsewhere, take as gospel every utterance from Zelenskyy and The Ukrainian side. People deliberately choose to ignore the fact that The U.K. and our allies were responsible for ‘shock and awe’ in Iraq and hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties both there and Afghanistan. By contrast, Russian aggression in Ukraine has been much more measured. Is the fury and outrage because Ukrainians are white? I am NOT excusing this barbaric and illegal Russian aggression, but before accepting every piece of propaganda, remember that, understandably, it is in Ukraine’s interest to exaggerate or indeed make up stories designed to garner support from NATO. -15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 hour ago, CambieBud said: By contrast, Russian aggression in Ukraine has been much more measured. Is the fury and outrage because Ukrainians are white? Thank Heaven for small mercies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 2 hours ago, CambieBud said: People deliberately choose to ignore the fact that The U.K. and our allies were responsible for ‘shock and awe’ in Iraq and hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties both there and Afghanistan. Who? The thread title is "Russian invasion of Ukraine", not "Bad things the UK have done". 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 (edited) Quote More now from a press conference by Polish President Andrzej Duda. He says it's "very likely" that a missile explosion in a Polish village late last night was caused by Ukrainian air defences. Ukraine was attempting to defend against a barrage of Russian strikes. It has denied it was to blame for the blast in the Polish village. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-asia-63593855 Edited November 16, 2022 by NorthernLights 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 16 hours ago, deegee said: It’s a bit different from WW2 when we converted factories (already making industrial stuff like cars or machinery) to produce tanks and bullets. It’ll be a hard push converting “modern day workplaces” like call centres and the work force who prefer to take selfies of their skinny lattes than get their hands dirty making bombs. Or glassy making dirty bombs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 16 hours ago, Bairnardo said: 16 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Are Poland any good, they didn't do much last time out? You seen Russia m8 lol The Russians hammered Jerry last time out, and they annihilated Poland, so... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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