Russian invasion of Ukraine

[welshbairn]

Mad fuckers..

 

[RossBFaeDundee]

Step right up, step right up! Foreigners can come experience the wonders of Dedovshchina first-hand as part of the crumbling, embarrassing Russian war effort!

[welshbairn]

The Good Soldier Schweik (probably a murderer)

 

[Newbornbairn]

8 hours ago, dorlomin said:

Lavrov in hospital in Indonesia. He is a 72 year old man, so its not a huge surprise he gets ill. Russian MFA is apparently denying it. So...... we know how trustworthy thier denials of anything are. (edited, already been posted oops)

https://9gag.com/gag/axogY2Y

 

[Dev]

//www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/14/7376314/

Maybe a sign that local people in southern Kherson are gaining confidence:

Russian occupiers evacuate their personnel from Zaliznyi Port, Kherson Oblast

UKRAINSKA PRAVDA — MONDAY, 14 NOVEMBER 2022, 17:52

 

Due to the reluctance of local residents to collaborate with them, Russian invaders took their "service personnel' from the Zaliznyi Port of Kherson Oblast.

Source: National Resistance Center (NRC)

Quote: "The occupiers have evacuated the families of Russian workers [...] from Zaliznyi Port (Kherson region) due to the refusal of the locals to cooperate with the enemy".

Details: NRC reported that about 50 Russians were accommodated in boarding houses of the occupied resort village. According to the local underground resistance, they were transported to the town of Skadovsk (Kherson Oblast) the day before.

 

[strichener]

On 09/11/2022 at 16:46, Theroadlesstravelled said:

Why did he remove the seatbelt?

He thought he was safer wearing a mask.

[Lurkst]

On 13/11/2022 at 21:27, ICTChris said:

Defence Ministry of Ukraine releases the following clip

 

Hardest karaoke video ever!

 

[ICTChris]

Thread about the aftermath of Kherson liberation.

 

Ukrainian targeting of Russian military seems to have been good around Kherson, leading to less damage to the town.  However, the Russian withdrawal seems to have been conducted well, not too much abandoned gear.  

Difficult questions about what to do about collaborators and how to  even define a collaborator. 

[jagfox]

 

[TxRover]

Credible reports that the Russians have pulled 10-20km back from the Dnipro to avoid shelling and Ukrainian forces have landed at multiple locations on the eastern bank of the river. Nova Kakhovka administration personnel relocated south…reports confirming Russian pullback was done better this time, with less equipment abandoned, but also confirm the accuracy of Ukrainian artillery and rocket strikes in the Kherson area, as the city is far from destroyed.

[TxRover]

As Russia’s Lavrov leaves the G20, Russia launches about 70 missiles at Ukraine, again targeting civilian infrastructure.

[ICTChris]

The grain deal is about to be renewed, according to reports, with additional provisions made for the export of Russian ammonia via a pipeline to Odessa.

[TxRover]

3 hours ago, ICTChris said:

The grain deal is about to be renewed, according to reports, with additional provisions made for the export of Russian ammonia via a pipeline to Odessa.

Hummmmm, I’d say no. You see a small explosive on an ammonia pipeline might be a jolly rum thing…or a missile exploding nearby…I’d pass.

[carpetmonster]

This doesn’t sound like a welcome development 

 

[dorlomin]

Russian missiles may have landed in Poland. 

Its going to cause a diplomatic kerfuffle if true. But its not an act of war and not something to trigger A5 over. There were the occasional incidents during the cold war. 

 

Sorry for the more casual browsers, but I think that for something to be a causus belli, a reason to go to war, there has to be mens rea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea

That is it has to be intentional. Now obviously there is a lot of scope there for interpretation. But long tense borders incidents like these do happen (remember Turkey and  Russia tangling in the air over Syria or the US marines and Wagner having a wee fight [Wagner lost badly]). 

So I think that the response will not be "Article 5" though the US may push more Partiot batteries to the border and perhaps start being more aggressive in intercepting them. 

Edited November 15, 2022 by dorlomin

[dorlomin]

 

 

Credible journalist suggests there have been fatalities. 

[Scotty Tunbridge]

Is that not Russia fucked it now they’ve done that? NATO will be on them?

Edited November 15, 2022 by Scotty Tunbridge

[TxRover]

On 31/10/2022 at 10:56, TxRover said:

Interesting little note that fragments of a missile shot down by Ukrainian air defences caused damage to buildings in Naslavcea, Moldova. It seems the recent shots at Ukraine have been launched from Tu-60 and Tu-90 bombers flying over the Caspian Sea., using 3M-54 Kalibr cruise missiles. This is interesting because that’s somewhere between 1,,000 to 1,200 km flight distance Lviv, on a straight line path, something they wouldn’t do because of the amount of Ukrainian territory it would overfly.

Why, well because cruise missiles fly at low levels, and via deceptive programmed paths, to avoid being intercepted…what does launching over the Caspian Sea tell us about attacks on western Ukraine? We can assume the Russians will have the missiles fly west over the Black Sea and Crimea before turning north near the Moldovan border to make the run up to western Ukraine. This is a no brainer because the Kalibr can fly at 20m altitude over water versus 50m over land, and because there is much less chance of being spotted (and attacked) over the Black Sea and Crimea. It also forces the Ukrainians to deploy anti-air defences to the Moldovan border area, away from the conflict points where they could also protect against Russian Air Force attacks.

OK, so that tactic makes sense, why it is a potential minefield for Russia? Because Kalibr missiles are technical devices that can make errors, and Russian quality control isn’t the best. While Moldova isn’t a NATO country, Romania certainly is, and the flight distance from someplace like Odessa to Romania is less than 120 miles (and almost all of it over another third country, Moldova). If one or two of those missiles fail to make their programmed turn correctly to the north to run along the Moldovan border, they will then end up somewhere in Moldova, Romania, Hungary or Poland when they come down and explode…and that is, in three of the four cases, potentially an Article Five attack on a NATO member nation.

Sure the Russians can say, “it was a technical error”, “it wasn’t intended”, “we’re sorry”, but the barrage of weapons released against clearly civilian targets by Russia has significantly reduced their wiggle room for a “boo-boo”. Just imagine the response if a Moldovan, let alone a Romanian/Hungarian/Polish, day-care or hospital gets hit by an errant missile…

Whoops…https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1697080/russia-poland-missle-dead-NATO-state-Ukraine-war-pictures-world-war-3…two dead in Poland…buckle up.

 

(Sorry it’s the Express…but it was the easiest link)

[Sherrif John Bunnell]

The stupid idiots.

[Theroadlesstravelled]

WW3!!!!

 

Russia and Belarus against everyone else.