Karpaty Lviv Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 12 minutes ago, Salvo Montalbano said: Can't see Putin being ousted somehow. Which is a shame as he's in my dead pool squad. He’ll fall out of one of those famous Russian windows. He’s my DP captain, any in any case it would be some fucking party when he does die. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Igor's take, by no means a fan of Prigozhin. Quote Strelkov Igor Ivanovich #KRP So, the strategic idea of Prigozhin's team is extremely clear, logical, very risky, but it strikes with courage and has a chance of success in an atmosphere of sluggishness and demotivation of all power structures of the Russian Federation. Having gained a foothold in Rostov and diverting attention to themselves, they sharply throw the most combat-ready shock units (several thousand bayonets) into a raid on Moscow. Their task - bypassing all major centers (Voronezh passed by, passing Lipetsk as well) and trying not to get involved in battles with local garrisons (even without blocking them) - to rush to Moscow and by all means reach it as soon as possible. Further - the calculation is made on the panic and flight of all senior officials and the seizure of power "lying on the ground." Further, Prigozhin will only have to take the turn of those eager to urgently swear to him "suddenly seeing the light" officials of all ranks and solemnly enter the Kremlin. "And there - it will be seen" (what will happen next with Russia, the criminal and the garcon, I'm sure, worries the least, for that he will certainly become the "best in hell" and go down in history as the first criminal who took the post of ruler of our unfortunate country ).This strategy has only two vulnerabilities: the possibility of a collision with relatively large units that are combat-ready and do not want to surrender (or remain neutral) before approaching Moscow, and - inevitable in this case, problems with supplying the strike force, which will fight in isolation for longer than a couple of days from the supply will not be able to. And then - inevitably defeat.And here the Wagner strategists again "guessed" the decision - to "dig in" part of the forces in Rostov and attract there the efforts of those who are still ready to fight (at least at the level of intentions) for the Kremlin.In general, there are twice as many "service people" in Moscow than in the entire "Wagner" and many times more than in its shock group. But how many of them are able to fight and whether they will do it at all is a big question. This is the whole "intrigue" and the key to the outcome of this (I will pay tribute) brilliantly daring "raid". Whetherthe idea will work or not, we will find out, perhaps, already at the beginning of the next day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Putin is completely shitting himself in these TV speeches he keeps doing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Putin...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydeTon Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 The only point that can be given in favour of Wagner is that the Russian Federation is, when it wants to be, very Bureaucratic. If the Kremlin wants something done, it goes through the system at lightning speed. If the Kremlin don't care, it's about as slow as, well, their supplies to Wagner. The Russian Regime will be shitting themselves because, well, it's happened before. I probably don't need to elaborate, but the parallels are extreme. The Invasion of Ukraine is an opposite to the German invasion of Russia, with the German Empire being stuck in Russian Poland, with Russia the ones on the Backfoot. This time they're in foreign territory and in the driving seat, despite their struggles. The only thing I can think of that is a sign of hope for the Kremlin will be that the people haven't revolted to go with it. That's what drove the 1917 revolution into total Civil War (with the formation of the Red Army, then foreign intervention, etc.), and it would be what pushed this over the edge. Wagner has an army comparable to a small nation - and It would surely be able to pick more up along the way. Putin is well and truly f**ked here, if things escalate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 I was expecting full on bloodshed amongst Russian and Wagner forces today, it's been slightly disappointing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, MONKMAN said: I was expecting full on bloodshed amongst Russian and Wagner forces today, it's been slightly disappointing. Is that because there's no one in the Russian Army particularly keen to fight against the Wagner forces? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, Bairnardo said: Is that because there's no one in the Russian Army particularly keen to fight against the Wagner forces? Wagner wouldn't have taken over the southern military district command HQ so easily in Rostov if the Russian Army were gung ho about defending Putin. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, LongTimeLurker said: Wagner wouldn't have taken over the southern military district command HQ so easily in Rostov if the Russian Army were gung ho about defending Putin. Yeah.... Russian army so far showing all the willingness of the Afghan Army v the Taliban..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 15 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: Is that because there's no one in the Russian Army particularly keen to fight against the Wagner forces? Maybe they didn't want to turn Rostov into Bakhmut/Mariupol, or because the HQ was mainly staffed by admin clerks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Brazil Forever Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Igor's take, by no means a fan of Prigozhin. I have a faint recollection that Putin from his KGB (now FSB ) days was very conscious of Colonel Gaddafi's end and it helped shape his Presidency. It's a whole lot closer, Vlad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Videos online “allegedly” showing the Chechens en route for a scrap, so hopefully things liven up a bit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 The Pentagon makes a $6b accounting error and a few days later a coup in Russia begins. Interesting 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, MONKMAN said: Videos online “allegedly” showing the Chechens en route for a scrap, so hopefully things liven up a bit. CNN saying that they are near Rostov. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, Theroadlesstravelled said: The Pentagon makes a $6b accounting error and a few days later a coup in Russia begins. Interesting Those pesky accountants. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, MONKMAN said: Videos online “allegedly” showing the Chechens en route for a scrap, so hopefully things liven up a bit. The Chechen TikTok Batallion? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydeTon Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: The Pentagon makes a $6b accounting error and a few days later a coup in Russia begins. Interesting 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Mongo del Fantastico Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, MONKMAN said: Videos online “allegedly” showing the Chechens en route for a scrap, so hopefully things liven up a bit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Maybe they didn't want to turn Rostov into Bakhmut/Mariupol, or because the HQ was mainly staffed by admin clerks. They had to reach Rostov first. Was seeing tweets about a 50 km long Wagner column leaving the occupied Donbas for Rostov late last night and assumed it was a farfetched windup so didn't post it here. Rostov is one of the main logistics hubs for the war so seriously doubt its just admin clerks that are stationed there. Since then and for the last few hours a Wagner column has been driving up a highway to Moscow with no signs of any roadblocks being prepared and only the occasional helicopter showing up and getting shot down. Strongly suspect that if a Ukrainian armoured column decided to go for a jaunt up the highway from Chernihiv to Moscow today the response from the Russian military would be considerably more robust and effective. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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