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Russian invasion of Ukraine


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2 hours ago, renton said:

This seems like it was a fun conversation.

Russia already recognises other breakaway republics like South Ossetia (very few others have joined them). It doesn't mean a war unless Ukraine responds by trying to occupy those regions and dissolve their putative governments. Which would be a rather unwise thing to do IMHO. 

What it signals is that the Minsk protocol that both sides reluctantly tolerates has finally broken down; which will no doubt be to the great delight of the braying Anglo powers that have tried to sabotage it. 

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Just now, Highlandmagyar Tier 3 said:

No doubt that when Russia recognises these regions of Ukraine they will be swallowed up into Russia. Then where next for Putin? Most likely the Baltic states.

Baltic republics are in NATO.

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Just now, Highlandmagyar Tier 3 said:

No doubt that when Russia recognises these regions of Ukraine they will be swallowed up into Russia. 

Oh really? When were South Ossetia and Abkhazia swallowed up into Russia after their recognition? 

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Just now, Highlandmagyar Tier 3 said:

Have they any strategic value?

Their strategic value is the exact same as either a part of Russia or a client state. Which is why they have not in fact been inevitably joined to Russia, after recognition was granted. 

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13 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar Tier 3 said:

No doubt that when Russia recognises these regions of Ukraine they will be swallowed up into Russia...

Recognition only up to the contact line and the Crimea scenario thereafter is the easy way out of this crisis to some sort of stability but he probably still hopes more breakaway republics emerge in an arc from Kharkov to Odessa so that's no sure thing.

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5 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Aye if you ignore the horrific human rights records, the genocide, imposing non democratic rule on the people of hong kong, lack of free speech and locking up political opposition then China’s doing just swell. 

The vast majority of people in China would almost certainly trade political rights for not living in a backward, carved up and warlord-riddled mess that China was for fully 100 years before 1949. 

Billions of people in the world today would do likewise to no longer have to scratch a living, shit in a open trench or have access to more than a few hours dodgy electricity supply today. 

And a larger minority than you think in the free world would also abandon many of their rights, if they thought it would stave off merely relative decline - as the US quite clearly shows. 

You don't have to like that reality or support authoritarianism personally to recognise that political and civil rights are not the only possible merits of a political system. 

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