Darvel FC Thread

[Talbot supporter]

Downward spiral now 

[leaguereformer]

12 hours ago, Talbot supporter said:

Downward spiral now 

That will come as a surprise to no one!

[Thejackdaw]

On 05/07/2024 at 19:47, Sylvester said:

Heard the pitch is still a mess & will struggle to be ready for the start of the season, cheap cost cutting work only started on it last week.

They could always play at ibrox .........

[leaguereformer]

Any update on the payment to Benburb which Darvel refused to pay. 

[Darvel legend]

On 08/07/2024 at 13:07, leaguereformer said:

Any update on the payment to Benburb which Darvel refused to pay. 

Off to arbitration we go , a common theme

[leaguereformer]

18 hours ago, Darvel legend said:

Off to arbitration we go , a common theme

Surely not, what does Frank Hill hope to achieve for the club by falling out with everyone? 

 

Bully boy tactics only get you so far. There are people far more versed in football than him. 

 

Does he forget he needs good relations with teams to progress. So far he has fell out with Pollok, Talbot, Bens, SJFA, Ashfield, Darren Miller and probably many more.

 

I would be worried if I was a Darvel fan. Only signing of note is the vertidrainer which will get used 2/3 times a year. Why not go to a specialist contractor for this, oh thats right they were going legal with Allgrass too. 

[Sylvester]

2 hours ago, leaguereformer said:

Surely not, what does Frank Hill hope to achieve for the club by falling out with everyone? 

 

Bully boy tactics only get you so far. There are people far more versed in football than him. 

 

Does he forget he needs good relations with teams to progress. So far he has fell out with Pollok, Talbot, Bens, SJFA, Ashfield, Darren Miller and probably many more.

 

I would be worried if I was a Darvel fan. Only signing of note is the vertidrainer which will get used 2/3 times a year. Why not go to a specialist contractor for this, oh thats right they were going legal with Allgrass too. 

According to some He didn't even go to any games until the Aberdeen game last year & now he's trying to run everything in the club, & going the wrong way about it by the looks of things, even the vertidrain was organised by him even though contractors say it won't work properly on their pitch as it won't go deep enough

[leaguereformer]

30 minutes ago, Sylvester said:

According to some He didn't even go to any games until the Aberdeen game last year & now he's trying to run everything in the club, & going the wrong way about it by the looks of things, even the vertidrain was organised by him even though contractors say it won't work properly on their pitch as it won't go deep enough

I would understand spending money on good lawn mower which will get used 3 times a week, however a verti drainer is something youd use a couple times a year, youd be better bringing in a contractor who know what they are doing to carry out the works.

[jimbaxters]

Has wee shiny heid left the building then?

[Rugbyroader]

On 09/06/2024 at 15:20, Bestsinceslicebread said:

Agreed, it happens most years with a team now and then but recently there's been a few past few seasons.   Yeah think its about running the club the best way to make them viable and long lasting.  But if we are realistic and everyone of us is honest that if we came into money and could do what we want, would you put money into a club you support etc... to make them more successful than they are?  Think many would but again, is about being run what we think is the best way,  Regarding  money coming into a team, this just isn't a WOSFL thing with Darvel throwing money into signing players, It happens in most leagues at one time or another with a team coming into money and splashing the cash

I can understand a fan of a club putting money into the club they support. What I don’t understand is someone who is a fan of a club, who has attended that clubs games for decades deciding to put money into another club. This is what John Gall did. It will be interesting to see how many Darvel games he attends going forward. I expect him to be at more Killie games than Darvel games in the future as that is the club he originally supported.

Edited July 15 by Rugbyroader

[Bestsinceslicebread]

 

On 09/06/2024 at 14:45, Bestsinceslicebread said:

 

Hurlford did it in season 1999/00. In season 1992 part of the stadium were vandalized and sure it was set on fire and every season after they finished dead last of the bottom league or thereabout as any money they had went into the club to try and build it back up. Then before season 99/00 a new chairman took over, he had hotel business and other business and he put a lot of money into Hurlford buying premier league calibre players and their job was to win promotion. They did so and the club then put more money in the following season, think after the money then kinda dried up they were relegated but had enough to bounce back and then another new chairman took over, more money came in, started buying higher level of player again and thus, now, they are considered a premier league team, remembering that this was at the same time their amateur team started paying money to their players but unsure if they were connected to the same people..

Agree the money won’t last with any team but it’s about putting a good foundation in and watch the club during their highs and lows, which happens to every team.  As I've said before Darvel will eventually reach the level that they should be once the money goes but right now they are good enough to be in the premier league but if the money leaves they may drop down a division or two as their average crowds won’t be enough to keep the club sustainable at the premier level which will happen, I'd say this will happen to most clubs who have money for a while but the best thing that has come out of all of this is that Darvel have a nice little stadium and park for the future.

 

On 09/06/2024 at 15:20, Bestsinceslicebread said:

Agreed, it happens most years with a team now and then but recently there have been a few past few seasons.   Yeah think it’s about running the club the best way to make them viable and long lasting.  But if we are realistic and every one of us is honest that if we came into money and could do what we want, would you put money into a club you support etc... To make them more successful than they are?  Think many would but again, is about being run what we think is the best way,  Regarding  money coming into a team, this just isn't a WOSFL thing with Darvel throwing money into signing players, It happens in most leagues at one time or another with a team coming into money and splashing the cash

 

 

15 hours ago, Rugbyroader said:

I can understand a fan of a club putting money into the club they support. What I don’t understand is someone who is a fan of a club, who has attended that clubs games for decades deciding to put money into another club. This is what John Gall did. It will be interesting to see how many Darvel games he attends going forward. I expect him to be at more Killie games than Darvel games in the future as that is the club he originally supported.

I believe Gall supports both teams, who does he support more?, probably Killie and personally I don't see anything wrong if he's chairman going to a Killie game now and then than a Darvel Game.  Sure someone can tell us if Gall goes to all Darvel games?  I know two chairmen in the WOSFL who are mad Celtic supporters and know another two who are Rangers supporters, so its not that uncommon

I don't think it’s that hard to fathom out but then again, this is how I see it.  The new guy who became chairman of Hurlford in 1999/00 was a huge Kilmarnock fan as far as I remember, I don’t remember if he put money into Killie, (think he did but can't confirm) but the money he put into Hurlford was huge. He was also a ford supporter and there were times the chairman wasn’t at a Hurlford games due to him being at a Killie game or usually there for the first half of the Ford game when at home.  In Ayrshire, what I do remember is majority of the players either supported Killie or Ayr and majority of those players also supported Celtic or Rangers, so can understand why many have allegiance towards a few teams. Then again this was most views in the 90s.

Maybe Gall at Darvel felt the money putting into Darvel would make a bigger difference and a huge impact for Darvel facilities and accolades plus he would have a much greater control of the club and felt he could make a difference, which if being honest, he has.  Would his money be welcomed if given to Killie?, yeah I'm sure. Would it put him in an important position within Killie?, I doubt it.

Suppose it’s all subjective to each and every one of our views why those chairmen put money into one team while supporting another.

I will say Gall gets a lot of abuse but he did put Darvel on the map and in the premier league which I never thought would happen to Darvel.  Some of the abuse Gall received on here I thought was a bit over the top but then again when Darvel won the League and Gall was interviewed, basically shouting and cheering to Talbot about getting it up them, then I realised why he got it tight from the fans.  

Edited July 16 by Bestsinceslicebread

[leaguereformer]

Darvel charging full price for a friendly and justifying it by it is getting split with the u20s. 

 

Surely for all the fans that are realistically going to go go £5/£3 and have a nucket collection. seems false economy, Putting price up resulting in less people going. 

 

I heard their friendly at Maybole had under 30 people there between the two sides which included Darvel committee members. 

 

What is the latest with the pitch has the issues been resolved?

[Darvel legend]

1 hour ago, leaguereformer said:

Darvel charging full price for a friendly and justifying it by it is getting split with the u20s. 

 

Surely for all the fans that are realistically going to go go £5/£3 and have a nucket collection. seems false economy, Putting price up resulting in less people going. 

 

I heard their friendly at Maybole had under 30 people there between the two sides which included Darvel committee members. 

 

What is the latest with the pitch has the issues been resolved?

Going by what I’m being told the new machine is totally useless as a previous poster already wrote  , doesn’t go down far enough to do any good and all grass getting sued surprise surprise , common theme occurring here at the club ,  so any time it rains this season game will be off , squad is paper thin also and with only under 20’s as back up it’s going to be a long season as none of them Are good enough to play in this league week in week out , hopefully im wrong however only time will tell 

[JohncraigEK]

6 hours ago, Darvel legend said:

Going by what I’m being told the new machine is totally useless as a previous poster already wrote  , doesn’t go down far enough to do any good and all grass getting sued surprise surprise , common theme occurring here at the club ,  so any time it rains this season game will be off , squad is paper thin also and with only under 20’s as back up it’s going to be a long season as none of them Are good enough to play in this league week in week out , hopefully im wrong however only time will tell 

We use these on rugby pitches but the principle is the same.

They are not used just a few times a year. They are designed to quickly disperse surface water and de compact on the day of a game when tractors can’t get in.

 

You could always challenge the club that every time it rains and the game is on you could donate £100 to your club. And if the game gets called off each time the club could donate to a charity you support? Been there, done it, but we had to admit it works.

[Rugbyroader]

On 16/07/2024 at 13:00, Bestsinceslicebread said:

 

 

 

I believe Gall supports both teams, who does he support more?, probably Killie and personally I don't see anything wrong if he's chairman going to a Killie game now and then than a Darvel Game.  Sure someone can tell us if Gall goes to all Darvel games?  I know two chairmen in the WOSFL who are mad Celtic supporters and know another two who are Rangers supporters, so its not that uncommon

I don't think it’s that hard to fathom out but then again, this is how I see it.  The new guy who became chairman of Hurlford in 1999/00 was a huge Kilmarnock fan as far as I remember, I don’t remember if he put money into Killie, (think he did but can't confirm) but the money he put into Hurlford was huge. He was also a ford supporter and there were times the chairman wasn’t at a Hurlford games due to him being at a Killie game or usually there for the first half of the Ford game when at home.  In Ayrshire, what I do remember is majority of the players either supported Killie or Ayr and majority of those players also supported Celtic or Rangers, so can understand why many have allegiance towards a few teams. Then again this was most views in the 90s.

Maybe Gall at Darvel felt the money putting into Darvel would make a bigger difference and a huge impact for Darvel facilities and accolades plus he would have a much greater control of the club and felt he could make a difference, which if being honest, he has.  Would his money be welcomed if given to Killie?, yeah I'm sure. Would it put him in an important position within Killie?, I doubt it.

 

Suppose it’s all subjective to each and every one of our views why those chairmen put money into one team while supporting another.

I will say Gall gets a lot of abuse but he did put Darvel on the map and in the premier league which I never thought would happen to Darvel.  Some of the abuse Gall received on here I thought was a bit over the top but then again when Darvel won the League and Gall was interviewed, basically shouting and cheering to Talbot about getting it up them, then I realised why he got it tight from the fans.  

Before getting involved with Darvel he was at the vast majority of Killie games. He has been been at Killie games when Darvel have been playing but as he became more involved he was at less Killie games. One of the reasons he became involved at Darvel was he fell out with Michael Johnston the former Killie chairman. His money had an impact at Darvel but the question is what happens going forwards. The club had some success but what is the point of putting money in to Darvel if it falls back to where it was previously. It would have been better to try and build something that was sustainable over a longer period of time. The ground will also need investment over time or it will fall into disrepair. If he is no longer Chairman I expect he’ll revert to being at Killie games  as previously and he’ll hardly attend Darvel games. If this is the case you have to question what was the point of it all apart from ego. 

Edited July 17 by Rugbyroader

[Bestsinceslicebread]

1 hour ago, Rugbyroader said:

Before getting involved with Darvel he was at the vast majority of Killie games. He has been been at Killie games when Darvel have been playing but as he became more involved he was at less Killie games. One of the reasons he became involved at Darvel was he fell out with Michael Johnston the former Killie chairman. His money had an impact at Darvel but the question is what happens going forwards. The club had some success but what is the point of putting money in to Darvel if it falls back to where it was previously. It would have been better to try and build something that was sustainable over a longer period of time. The ground will also need investment over time or it will fall into disrepair. If he is no longer Chairman I expect he’ll revert to being at Killie games  as previously and he’ll hardly attend Darvel games. If this is the case you have to question what was the point of it all apart from ego. 

For whatever reason he put money into Darvel, you think there's nothing going forward? Seriously?

They now have a good wee stadium, for the future, they are now licensed and entry into the Scottish cup every year, where they will make money even if they get put out of the preliminary round, every year.
They won the WOSFL premier division and gave Darvel one of the biggest shocks in Scottish football history beating Aberdeen in the Scottish cup and reaching the 5th round, where they made over £100,000.

Have they failed in what they wanted to achieve? everything quoted above is what they would have loved to achieve and they did but they failed in reaching the lowland league which they wanted.   If the club now does not have the money they used to have then that was always going to happen but they will have a structure in place regarding their club, they are licensed and entry to the Scottish cup every year. So this year, even if relegated they have achieved massive.

Every club needs investment and every club does look for help from supporters, sponsorship etc... Like every other team, Lanark, Lurgar, Benburb, Troon, Bellshill etc... So it’s nothing new. Darvel have a good basis and when Gall is gone, which will eventually happen, the committee and new chairman just have to work with what they have got and deal with it, no matter what division they are in.

To me, Darvel were always a team you could count on getting 3 points and never in my wildest dreams would I have thought in the future they will find a sugar daddy and spend money on everything and reaching where they have done. they were lucky, dammed tooting they were but they will reach their level once the money goes and get on with it. The club has been going since 1889 and I get a feeling they may reach another hunner years with plenty of downs and a few ups.

I didn't care if he failed or had success but it was interesting being a neutral observer. Does the chairman have an ego, aye I'd say so and was actually embarrassed at his antics what he was saying about Talbot, he's definitely not to respectful at times when interviewed but he's done great for Darvel

Edited July 17 by Bestsinceslicebread

[Bensman]

On 08/07/2024 at 13:07, leaguereformer said:

Any update on the payment to Benburb which Darvel refused to pay. 

 

[Bensman]

Just now, Bensman said:

 

Its

[ClubFan87]

On 16/07/2024 at 14:43, Darvel legend said:

Going by what I’m being told the new machine is totally useless as a previous poster already wrote  , doesn’t go down far enough to do any good and all grass getting sued surprise surprise , common theme occurring here at the club ,  so any time it rains this season game will be off , squad is paper thin also and with only under 20’s as back up it’s going to be a long season as none of them Are good enough to play in this league week in week out , hopefully im wrong however only time will tell 

People could tell you any old story and you will run with it and believe it I’m pretty sure people that specialise in maintenance of playing surfaces will know a wee bit more than you or your source. 
 

Don’t know about you but if I paid a lot of money for a service that let’s be honest was not done properly and that company have admitted fault but are dragging their heels in any attempt to fix said problem, the next logical step would surprise surprise be to take them to court. I would be more upset/annoyed if the club did not pursue the company. You just like to run with a story and make it negative. 
 

 

I take it you were not there at any pre season games so far? I know you’ve not been so you don’t need to answer. Cumbernauld colts aside, the boys have looked very good but just you bring them down before a competitive ball is kicked. I’m pretty sure the manager has a better idea of who is good enough to play in the premier than you.  
 

You will never change, you are a clown.

[andy25]

Times must be hard when your charging £8 for a friendly....