DOONHAMERS1919 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I haven't really followed how Ben Gordon has done with St Mirren, but he was a player I admired when he was at Alloa. I think he and Balatoni would be decent signings. I liked Ben Gordon at Alloa also and looked fairly decent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjc-1988 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Good available centre backs are very hard to find in Scottish football. That's why I found it surprising the competent Higgins was released. Having looked at who I think we could target I came up with Stuart Findlay, Conrad Balatoni, Paul Watson, Ben Gordon and Fiacre Kelleher. Otherwise I don't think there are too many others out there connected with Scottish football who we could get. I agree totally with that comment and I see someone has suggested Andy Webster as a possible replacement. The thought of freeing two great servants like Dowie and Higgy and getting Andy Webster in replacement doesn't bear thinking about even in jest.Personally, I think we could have offered one a full playing contract probably Higgy and offered a player coach role to Dowie and had him for back up. It would be good way to give a loyal player a step up into coaching in a familiar environment.When you consider the money we have wasted on Tapping and Hilson (albeit in good faith) it is not risking much. We have retained Brownlie but for me that is a marginal "retain" and if we have any aspirations of challenging for play offs next season - central defence goes straight into the top priority category. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOONHAMERS1919 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Webster is no doubt finished at Championship level. Dowie and Higgins were great servants to Queens and those types of contracts do appear feasible. I was wondering how high up the appearances list Higgins was after leaving Queens. Unsure of the club appearances list outside of the Top Twenty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 5 hours ago, Skyline Drifter said: My immediate thought also was Allan Johnston might be comparable. Depends what you call the bigger achievement. Naysmith has 134 Premier League appearances in England and 46 Scotland caps as noted. He also played 105 games at Scottish Premier level, won the Scottish Cup with Hearts and played 79 Championship games with Sheffield United. Johnston played only a handful of English Premier games with Sunderland and Middlesbrough and got only 18 Scotland caps but he played over 200 Premier League games in Scotland. He won the English Championship with Sunderland. On balance I think Naysmith's standing in the game is a little higher. Elsewhere, Gavin Skelton's career never hit those stellar heights with most of it spent with Gretna in the lower Leagues, though he ultimately clocked up nearly 100 top division appearances. James Fowler has over 400 Premier League appearances and captained Kilmarnock to win a League Cup. He has one Scotland B cap. Jim McIntyre also has one Scotland B cap. He has approaching 200 Premier League appearances, almost 100 lower league appearances in England and won the Scottish Cup with Kilmarnock. This was something Gus MacPherson also did and he too has over 400 top league Scottish appearances though no international recognition. Kenny Brannigan spent the vast majority of his career kicking people around lower divisions but Gordon Chisholm played nearly 200 games with Sunderland and something similar between Hibs & Dundee up here (some of those Dundee games were probably outside the top league). He was a runner up in league Cup Finals north and south of the Border but won nothing of note. Ian McCall had a bit of journeyman career really, playing more games for Falkirk at the back end of it than he did for anyone else. Despite his time with Rangers the most he ever won as a player was a Challenge Cup with Falkirk. Iain Scott never played League level as far as I'm aware. John Connolly played over 200 games in England with Everton, Birmingham and Newcastle but at a time when there were a lot more opportunities for Scots in England. He won 1 Scotland cap. I'm not going to delve into specific careers much older than that but to pick out a few highlights: Ally MacLeod was more high profile for his management than his playing career though he did play a lot of games for Blackburn Rovers and get a Man of the Match award in an FA Cup Final. Frank McGarvey played nearly 200 games for Celtic and won 2 Championships, 2 Scottish Cups and a League Cup. Davie Wilson played over 200 games for Rangers and won 4 Championships, 5 Scottish Cups, 2 League Cups and was runner up in a UEFA Cup. I don't think there's any doubt he's our most decorated manager in terms of playing career. He also got 22 Scotland caps. Jackie Husband spent his entire career with Partick Thistle, winning the Summer Cup during the War years and was capped twice by Scotland. George Farm made over 460 appearances for Blackpool and won the FA Cup with them. In terms of Scotland caps Naysmith's 46 is more than everyone else added together. (Wilson 22, Johnston 18, Husband 2, Connolly 1) but then Wilson played in an era when Scotland played less games. Naysmith also has far more English Premiership appearances than anyone else, though Connolly may have more top level games, not sure how many of his 200 odd games were outside the old First Division. If you want to consider top level Scottish as an equivalent standard then Fowler and MacPherson both played way more top level league games. Wilson has certainly won far more than anyone else with only McGarvey being worth mentioning in comparison. Between the rest, Naysmith, MacPherson and McIntyre all have a Scottish Cup win to their name, Farm has an FA Cup win and Fowler a League Cup win. In short, Wilson is the only other one who might have an argument with Naysmith on playing pedigree but it was a different era and difficult to compare. Alarmingly, two of the most decorated - Wilson and McGarvey - were absolutely atrocious managers for us. That brings us to Naysmith... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fae_the_'briggs Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 You would hope with all his experience Naysmith would be able to spot a decent right back, or know which ones to avoid. He's had a good clear-out, whether you agree with some or not, and he may have been more ruthless but was hindered by some having another year left on their contract, but it will be more his team next season so he will have to stand or fall by the players he brings in. Hopefully he had put out a few feelers regarding replacements for centre backs before he chopped the two that we had. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOONHAMERS1919 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 I'm sure Naysmith has got the nuance for getting an idea of the players he's targeting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steakpiegravy Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) 17 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said: Alarmingly, two of the most decorated - Wilson and McGarvey - were absolutely atrocious managers for us. That brings us to Naysmith... McGarvey was not only atrocious but spent every game as player manager swearing loudly at his players from the centre circle. A man totally lacking in class IMO. Whatever you think about Naysmith - and its still early days - he is in no way comparable to that dumpling. Edited May 11, 2017 by steakpiegravy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOONHAMERS1919 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 I have vague recollections of McGarvey but did he not have one of the worst managerial records in Queens history. The idea of the player-manager certainly did not have the desired effect. To think back to the times of the Queens directors/committee selecting the team under the McKinnells and I wonder if under Harkness the Queens team was being selected by the directors/committee or the managers under his stewardship. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PALMYLAD Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 I have vague recollections of McGarvey but did he not have one of the worst managerial records in Queens history. The idea of the player-manager certainly did not have the desired effect. To think back to the times of the Queens directors/committee selecting the team under the MCKinnells and I wonder if under Harkness the Queens team was being selected by the directors/committee or the managers under his stewardship. Please go away 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOONHAMERS1919 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 I wish you would actually !!! Did you get out of the wrong side of bed this morning? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM_1919 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 This thread must be worst going cause of this cowboy... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOONHAMERS1919 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Just say what you think why don't you !! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 I thought when folk signed up here admin could see if two usernames were the same person? The IP or something? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Flash Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said: I thought when folk signed up here admin could see if two usernames were the same person? The IP or something? I don't think you need to be Poirot to figure out who that roaster is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 I don't think you need to be Poirot to figure out who that roaster is. That's not why I asked. If he was banned before then surely they can ban him again if they know for sure it's the same person. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOONHAMERS1919 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 You are all good detectives, I'll give you that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Flash Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 1 minute ago, 19QOS19 said: That's not why I asked. If he was banned before then surely they can ban him again if they know for sure it's the same person. They banned him again after a while when he came back under another pseudonym. So maybe it takes a bit of time. Working it out won't be the cause of the delay, though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 They banned him again after a while when he came back under another pseudonym. So maybe it takes a bit of time. Working it out won't be the cause of the delay, though. I suppose so. Pretty pathetic stuff constantly making up usernames for a social media site right enough 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOONHAMERS1919 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Yawn[emoji99] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhat Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Just put him on Ignore. He, or even she, clearly has problems. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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