The Queen of the South thread

[Monkey Tennis]

I got 8 right I think. Pretty poor, but could evidently have been a lot worse.

[qos_75]

I forgot about this. I assume it will be on the I-player over the weekend?

[Guest Flash]

4 points out of 13. She was on better form than the team.

[Skyline Drifter]

I forgot about this. I assume it will be on the I-player over the weekend?

Questions were:

1 QoS was formed in 1919 by an amalgamation of three teams: Dumfries FC, a team from the KOSB and one from which car company?

2 Which local poet coined the name Queen of the South in an 1857 election address?

3 In what competition did Queens play their first ever match v Thornhill on 6th Sept 1919?

4 What nickname for the club is derived from the way people from Dumfries describe their home town when in other parts of Scotland?

5 Who were Queens opponents in their first top division game in Aug 1933 which Queens won 3-2?

6 When Queens entered the Scottish League in 1923 what division did they play in?

7 What name was given to the terracing on the East side of Palmerston Park replaced by an all seater stand in the 1990's?

8 Which forward joined Queens from Alloa in 1961 and is one of the few players to score 100 goals in both England and Scotland?

9 What was the nickname of the winger Ted McMinn for whom Queens received at the time a club record fee of £100,000 when he moved to Rangers in 1984?

10 In 1961/62 Queens started a game with ten players until Jim Patterson arrived late though his arrival helped them to a 3-2 win. Which clib did they beat?

11 Who scored Queens equaliser after being two goals down in the 2008 cup final againt Rangers?

12 Queens won only one away league game in 2011/12 when they were relegated. Who did they beat in that game?

13 From which club where he won an FA Cup winners medal did Queens sign goalkeeper George Farm in 1960?

[Monkey Tennis]

Questions were:

1 QoS was formed in 1919 by an amalgamation of three teams: Dumfries FC, a team from the KOSB and one from which car company?

2 Which local poet coined the name Queen of the South in an 1857 election address?

3 In what competition did Queens play their first ever match v Thornhill on 6th Sept 1919?

4 What nickname for the club is derived from the way people from Dumfries describe their home town when in other parts of Scotland?

5 Who were Queens opponents in their first top division game in Aug 1933 which Queens won 3-2?

6 When Queens entered the Scottish League in 1923 what division did they play in?

7 What name was given to the terracing on the East side of Palmerston Park replaced by an all seater stand in the 1990's?

8 Which forward joined Queens from Alloa in 1961 and is one of the few players to score 100 goals in both England and Scotland?

9 What was the nickname of the winger Ted McMinn for whom Queens received at the time a club record fee of £100,000 when he moved to Rangers in 1984?

10 In 1961/62 Queens started a game with ten players until Jim Patterson arrived late though his arrival helped them to a 3-2 win. Which clib did they beat?

11 Who scored Queens equaliser after being two goals down in the 2008 cup final againt Rangers?

12 Queens won only one away league game in 2011/12 when they were relegated. Who did they beat in that game?

13 From which club where he won an FA Cup winners medal did Queens sign goalkeeper George Farm in 1960?

I got 1,2,4,5,6,9,11&13 right.

Shamefully, I dived in early on question 7 without listening properly, saying Terregles Street.

I also passed disgracefully on question 12. I genuinely hadn't realised we'd only won once on the road that season so was phased by the question. Hell, McIntyre' s already matched that record.

[WILLIEA]

Nine out of thirteen for me.

Not too bad

[SUPERSOUTH]

8 from 13 for me.

[Frankie S]

Aye. Shows the folly of trying to learn something from pretty much scratch rather than having a subject you genuinely know well I suspect.

Reckon I got ten of thirteen.

Don't necessarily agree that learning a subject from scratch for your SS round on Mastermind is folly. 2012 champion Gary Grant would certainly beg to differ. Forcing yourself to learn about an unfamiliar subject should, in theory at least, banish complacency and ensure you do the required prep. Gary did Cetaceans and the Seven Wonders of the World as specialist subjects en route to winning the 2012 title, subjects he knew little about beforehand.

Quote from the Mastermind website (on his mistake of picking a subject he thought he was an expert in -Formula 1- for his semi final appearance):

"My mistake was in picking something I thought I knew about anyway, and failing to do the requisite work..So Gary's tip for the top? Pick a specialist subject you previously know nothing about. Seriously. It forces you to do the work needed."

Admittedly certain subjects are better suited to this approach than others. The history of a football club is possibly one example where a lifelong affinity for, and interest in, the subject (allied to good prep) is more likely to produce results than approaching the subject "cold."

I thought it was a fair set, but the contestant had huge gaps in her knowledge that suggested both a lack of familiarity with the subject and a lack of prep (Jim Thomson and "Tin Man" were just a couple of the points that got away that the vast majority of followers of the club would surely have known. George Farm arriving from Blackpool and Neil Martin being the prolific goalscorer on both sides of the border were similarly straightforward among the answers she missed). It's a shame David Gow wasn't allowed to take this subject when he was on Mastermind last year (presumably because it had already been claimed by this contestant) as I'm sure he would have done well on this set.

Edited October 26, 2013 by Frankie S

[Broony88]

Don't necessarily agree that learning a subject from scratch for your SS round on Mastermind is folly. 2012 champion Gary Grant would certainly beg to differ. Forcing yourself to learn about an unfamiliar subject should, in theory at least, banish complacency and ensure you do the required prep. Gary did Cetaceans and the Seven Wonders of the World as specialist subjects en route to winning the 2012 title, subjects he knew little about beforehand.

Quote from the Mastermind website (on his mistake of picking a subject he thought he was an expert in -Formula 1- for his semi final appearance):

"My mistake was in picking something I thought I knew about anyway, and failing to do the requisite work..So Gary's tip for the top? Pick a specialist subject you previously know nothing about. Seriously. It forces you to do the work needed."

Admittedly certain subjects are better suited to this approach than others. The history of a football club is possibly one example where a lifelong affinity for, and interest in, the subject (allied to good prep) is more likely to produce results than approaching the subject "cold."

I thought it was a fair set, but the contestant had huge gaps in her knowledge that suggested both a lack of familiarity with the subject and a lack of prep (Jim Thomson and "Tin Man" were just a couple of the points that got away that the vast majority of followers of the club would surely have known. George Farm arriving from Blackpool and Neil Martin being the prolific goalscorer on both sides of the border were similarly straightforward among the answers she missed). It's a shame David Gow wasn't allowed to take this subject when he was on Mastermind last year (presumably because it had already been claimed by this contestant) as I'm sure he would have done well on this set.

Hi Amanda Hiya Pal.

[happysouth]

Hi Amanda Hiya Pal.

Eh?

He's defending the option of picking a subject your unfamilar with not last nights particular contestant.

He's saying she didn't have either the general knowledge a long time fan would have or the preparation someone coming to it completely cold would/should have.

[Swarley]

I think someone should post the answers for the err uneducated err who err are struggling to get more than 2 or 3

[Skyline Drifter]

Don't necessarily agree that learning a subject from scratch for your SS round on Mastermind is folly. 2012 champion Gary Grant would certainly beg to differ. Forcing yourself to learn about an unfamiliar subject should, in theory at least, banish complacency and ensure you do the required prep. Gary did Cetaceans and the Seven Wonders of the World as specialist subjects en route to winning the 2012 title, subjects he knew little about beforehand.

Quote from the Mastermind website (on his mistake of picking a subject he thought he was an expert in -Formula 1- for his semi final appearance):

"My mistake was in picking something I thought I knew about anyway, and failing to do the requisite work..So Gary's tip for the top? Pick a specialist subject you previously know nothing about. Seriously. It forces you to do the work needed."

Admittedly certain subjects are better suited to this approach than others. The history of a football club is possibly one example where a lifelong affinity for, and interest in, the subject (allied to good prep) is more likely to produce results than approaching the subject "cold."

I thought it was a fair set, but the contestant had huge gaps in her knowledge that suggested both a lack of familiarity with the subject and a lack of prep (Jim Thomson and "Tin Man" were just a couple of the points that got away that the vast majority of followers of the club would surely have known. George Farm arriving from Blackpool and Neil Martin being the prolific goalscorer on both sides of the border were similarly straightforward among the answers she missed). It's a shame David Gow wasn't allowed to take this subject when he was on Mastermind last year (presumably because it had already been claimed by this contestant) as I'm sure he would have done well on this set.

Fair enough. Wouldn't disagree with any of that. I do think the history of a football club is the wrong subject to take on unless you've been a part of that history for a while and been ingesting knowledge about it for years. That said, with the possible exception of the Jim Patterson story starting short v Montrose, the questions could probably be answered with a fairly basic revision of the club.

[Skyline Drifter]

I think someone should post the answers for the err uneducated err who err are struggling to get more than 2 or 3

Answers as follows:

1 Arrol Johnston

2 David Dunbar

3 Scottish Qualifying Cup

4 Doonhamers

5 Celtic

6 Third Division

7 Cooshed

8 Neil Martin

9 Tin Man

10 Montrose

11 Jim Thomson

12 Raith Rovers

13 Blackpool

As I said, I got 10 and probably should have got 11 as I'm kicking myself about No 5 as I've read about the game often enough that I should have known it. Also got 3 and 10 wrong and have to concede I have no memory at all of hearing about the incident described in No 10. If it's in one of the history books then I've skimmed over it and forgotten it instantly.

[weeredbook]

Blacko ,Wee Bruce, and Gordon Harper have forgot more than that woman knows .

[JRS LEFT PEG]

I got ten but embarrasingly got the 2008 SC question wrong by answering Stevie Tosh too quickly. As soon as I said it , JT came into my head

[Swarley]

Yep I got 3

[Monkey Tennis]

Yep I got 3

You should go on MasterMind mate.

[Swarley]

That's 3 right, not 3 wrong!

[Monkey Tennis]

Answers as follows:

1 Arrol Johnston

2 David Dunbar

3 Scottish Qualifying Cup

4 Doonhamers

5 Celtic

6 Third Division

7 Cooshed

8 Neil Martin

9 Tin Man

10 Montrose

11 Jim Thomson

12 Raith Rovers

13 Blackpool

As I said, I got 10 and probably should have got 11 as I'm kicking myself about No 5 as I've read about the game often enough that I should have known it. Also got 3 and 10 wrong and have to concede I have no memory at all of hearing about the incident described in No 10. If it's in one of the history books then I've skimmed over it and forgotten it instantly.

Yes the answer to no10 rang no bells for me either. I just checked the 75th Anniversary book. The season in question was successful and gets some attention. There's no mention of that particular game, other than in the scores section though.

[Monkey Tennis]

That's 3 right, not 3 wrong!

I know.