Who will be the next permanent manager of the Conservatives?

[G51]

3 hours ago, Left Back said:

 

9 minutes ago, Snafu said:

Only if you lived in Elgin, Buckie  or Alness.

[Mark Connolly]

In some parts of Westminster, a generation is somewhere between 5 and 12 years...

 

[Wee-Bey]

On 30/08/2019 at 17:29, Stringer Bell said:

A generation is 5 years, as this was the length of time it took Sir Reginald Generation, after which it is named, to come up with the concept back in 1879.

Don't make me tap the sign.

[Wee-Bey]

Truss isn't for me, but there's no denying she'll be the best looking Prime Minister we've ever had. Literally every single one of her predecessors either looks evil, inbred, or just a plain old bag of dogshit. Or a combination of those.

She'll never match this dreamboat though.

[HTG]

4 hours ago, Fletcher23 said:

No need for the abuse. 

So you want Scotland to spend goodness knows how much money on an unwanted refwrendum when all these things are going on along with a war in the Ukraine. That is not even mentioning the state of our nhs or schools. 

No thank you, the time is definitely not right. 

There's every need for the abuse. You're a walking fucking disaster.

People voted in a majority to both the UK and Scottish parliaments who advocated a referendum. Don't even think about the gymnastics required to dispute that. 

Cameron ran the EU referendum on the back of a 36% share of the vote. 

Sturgeon won 47% of the fptp vote in 2021. 

The EU referendum cost £129m as opposed to £15.8m for the 2014 referendum. 

You might not like the reality of Scotland making its own way but the Scottish people have voted in favour of holding a referendum to do so. 

This is my last engagement with you as you're going on ignore after this as it's a sensible way to deal with walking disasters on their umpteenth alias.

[Duries Air Freshener]

17 minutes ago, HTG said:

There's every need for the abuse. You're a walking fucking disaster.

People voted in a majority to both the UK and Scottish parliaments who advocated a referendum. Don't even think about the gymnastics required to dispute that. 

Cameron ran the EU referendum on the back of a 36% share of the vote. 

Sturgeon won 47% of the fptp vote in 2021. 

The EU referendum cost £129m as opposed to £15.8m for the 2014 referendum. 

You might not like the reality of Scotland making its own way but the Scottish people have voted in favour of holding a referendum to do so. 

This is my last engagement with you as you're going on ignore after this as it's a sensible way to deal with walking disasters on their umpteenth alias.

Fletch, my advice would be not to reply to this abusive nonsense, especially when he doesn’t understand the role of Holyrood.

Wrestle with a chimney sweep, and you’ll only end up dirty.

[Billy Jean King]

Fletch, my advice would be not to reply to this abusive nonsense, especially when he doesn’t understand the role of Holyrood.
Wrestle with a chimney sweep, and you’ll only end up dirty.

Note to self......a new low !

[welshbairn]

5 hours ago, G51 said:

You will never see me on here slagging off Liz Truss, for three reasons:

1) half of what she says is just bait 

2) that’s easy greenies, it’s not high-tier posting

3) she’s smoking hot

 

41 minutes ago, Stringer Bell said:

Truss isn't for me, but there's no denying she'll be the best looking Prime Minister we've ever had.

 

You both need to get to an optician.

P.S. Pitt the Younger used to send the whole of the Commons and Lords into a drooling fit.

[G51]

5 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

 

You both need to get to an optician.

P.S. Pitt the Younger used to send the whole of the Commons and Lords into a drooling fit.

It’s a great portrait of young Pitt, but it’s probably the best he ever looked.

Its a shame the same can’t be said for his bust: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Pitt_the_Younger#/media/File%3AWilliam_Pitt_by_Joseph_Nollekens%2C_1808.JPG

You could use that nose to prize open a steel door.

Edited August 24, 2022 by G51

[Wee-Bey]

13 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

 

You both need to get to an optician.

P.S. Pitt the Younger used to send the whole of the Commons and Lords into a drooling fit.

Bear in mind that was a no doubt expensive portrait commissioned to make him look as good as possible.

He was an alcoholic who suffered from gout. He probably looked like shit irl.

[welshbairn]

45 minutes ago, Stringer Bell said:

Bear in mind that was a no doubt expensive portrait commissioned to make him look as good as possible.

He was an alcoholic who suffered from gout. He probably looked like shit irl.

[Fletcher23]

15 hours ago, HTG said:

There's every need for the abuse. You're a walking fucking disaster.

People voted in a majority to both the UK and Scottish parliaments who advocated a referendum. Don't even think about the gymnastics required to dispute that. 

Cameron ran the EU referendum on the back of a 36% share of the vote. 

Sturgeon won 47% of the fptp vote in 2021. 

The EU referendum cost £129m as opposed to £15.8m for the 2014 referendum. 

You might not like the reality of Scotland making its own way but the Scottish people have voted in favour of holding a referendum to do so. 

This is my last engagement with you as you're going on ignore after this as it's a sensible way to deal with walking disasters on their umpteenth alias.

There is no need for abuse. You do not know me and are calling me a walking disaster.

The Scottish people did not vote to have a referendum. The vast majority do not want one, especially just now. 

 

[Fletcher23]

18 hours ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

It was not in the white paper that the Independence referendum had to be once in a generation.

The white paper states: "It is a rare and precious moment in the history of Scotland - a once in a generation opportunity to chart a better way."

It does not state it has to be only once in a generation. Anyone with the ability to understand context understood this phrase was there to magnify the importance of the referendum and not as an absolute timeframe on future referenda. That would be fucking stupid. 

In fact the quote within the white paper states "The Edinburgh Agreement states that a referendum must be held by the end of 2014. There is no arrangement in place for another referendum on independence. It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity."  this implies the "once-in-a-generation" statement refers to Westminster allowing one. Not the will to have another. If, as expected, Westminster continue to refuse the legal grounds for another referendum then we can safely say this forewarning has been proven correct.

Again, if you can find it written anywhere that a referendum has to be once in a generation or, indeed, any time scales put forward for how often referenda can happen feel free to post them. If you are just going to take a turn of phrase out of context and repeat it like a legal document don't bother.

Anyway, speaking of documents written down, and easily referenced. Chapter 2 of the Smith Commission: "It is agreed that nothing in this report prevents Scotland becoming an independent country in the future should the people of Scotland so choose."

Weird how the BritNats never reference that and, instead, choose an Alex Salmond soundbite. 

It is you that is playing with words and taken a turn of phrase out of context Asim. 

A once in a generation opportunity means exactly what it says. 

[Antlion]

Just now, Fletcher23 said:

It is you that is playing with words and taken a turn of phrase out of context Asim. 

A once in a generation opportunity means exactly what it says. 

We had a once in a generation vote on whether to remain in or leave an EU member state. No generation has ever had a vote on whether or not we want to remain in or leave an anti-EU isolationist one.

[williemillersmoustache]

15 hours ago, HTG said:

There's every need for the abuse. You're a walking fucking disaster.

People voted in a majority to both the UK and Scottish parliaments who advocated a referendum. Don't even think about the gymnastics required to dispute that. 

Cameron ran the EU referendum on the back of a 36% share of the vote. 

Sturgeon won 47% of the fptp vote in 2021. 

The EU referendum cost £129m as opposed to £15.8m for the 2014 referendum. 

You might not like the reality of Scotland making its own way but the Scottish people have voted in favour of holding a referendum to do so. 

This is my last engagement with you as you're going on ignore after this as it's a sensible way to deal with walking disasters on their umpteenth alias.

The EU referendum cost £129m and the life of an undoubtedly talented and principled young MP.

Indyref cost £15.9m and an egg was thrown. 

[Blootoon87]

It is you that is playing with words and taken a turn of phrase out of context Asim. 
A once in a generation opportunity means exactly what it says. 

Boris Johnson said the 2019 general election was a "once in a generation" election. Should we not have another general election for another 25-30 years then?

[Left Back]

7 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

The EU referendum cost £129m and the life of an undoubtedly talented and principled young MP.

Indyref cost £15.9m and an egg was thrown. 

Why are people comparing the cost of the two referendums?  It's obviously going to be more expensive to run a UK wide one rather than a Scottish only one.

[williemillersmoustache]

1 minute ago, Left Back said:

Why are people comparing the cost of the two referendums?  It's obviously going to be more expensive to run a UK wide one rather than a Scottish only one.

I was making the point that the cost of the EU referendum was much more than the £ value and yet we all know which one is always described as horrible divisive and wrong.

In any case circa £20m for a democratic exercise is buttons.

[Fletcher23]

5 minutes ago, Blootoon87 said:

13 minutes ago, Fletcher23 said:

It is you that is playing with words and taken a turn of phrase out of context Asim. 
A once in a generation opportunity means exactly what it says. 

Boris Johnson said the 2019 general election was a "once in a generation" election. Should we not have another general election for another 25-30 years then?

A general election and a referendum are two totally different things Bluetoon. 

When we had the referendum it was a once in a generation opportunity. We have not had a generation pass yet. 

Also the money, division and hatred it causes aand with all that is happening in the world just now it would be utter madness to have another one just now.

You just have to read the abuse Kincardine, Dawson, Durie and myself get on here because we have a different view and opinion. 

Scotland is divided and it is not a good thing. The result in 2014 should have been accepted and the country should have moved on. It is so sad what is happening

[Fletcher23]

6 minutes ago, Left Back said:

Why are people comparing the cost of the two referendums?  It's obviously going to be more expensive to run a UK wide one rather than a Scottish only one.

The cost of independence would be a lot more than the cost of leaving the EU.