C4mmy31 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) On 10/10/2022 at 13:53, Leith Green said: Those issues are not in the same league as the ones encouraged by Rangers and Celtic - in fact, not even the same universe. You can't have selective sectarianism by claiming it isn't as big a problem as the two cheeks so I'll just play it down. It either happens or it doesn't. Edited October 12, 2022 by C4mmy31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. X Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, C4mmy31 said: You can't have selective sectarianism by claiming it isn't as big a problem as the two cheeks so I'll just play it down. It either happens or it doesn't. Anyone within the Hearts support caught singing sectarian songs should be banned from Tynecastle for life. We hate Ayr - black b*****ds Is that still a line in the 'We are Killie' song? Edited October 12, 2022 by Mr. X 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 11 hours ago, C4mmy31 said: You can't have selective sectarianism by claiming it isn't as big a problem as the two cheeks so I'll just play it down. It either happens or it doesn't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxo Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 8 hours ago, Mr. X said: Anyone within the Hearts support caught singing sectarian songs should be banned from Tynecastle for life. We hate Ayr - black b*****ds Is that still a line in the 'We are Killie' song? It is, but it's an accurate description if you take into consideration the meaning of the word 'black' when used in this context in Ayrshire... Seriously though, I hear very muffled voices at Rugby Park when it comes to that part of the song these days and I don't sing it personally. I doubt it'll be a thing in 5 years or so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 On 10/10/2022 at 14:46, craigkillie said: I've seen bigotry-adjacent stuff at Tynecastle, and the odd murmuring of that phrase from a certain section in the main stand. It's not the entire stands at Ibrox either - most, but not all of Rangers' dodgy songbook is reserved for away games, and although it does sometimes come out at home games, I would be pretty confident it's not the entire stand. I'd put Hearts in a very clear third place in terms of this sort of behaviour, they're the only other support I dread getting the train through from Glasgow with. Not sure if you are watching the Rangers Liverpool match, immediately after Rangers score, Derry's Walls being sung by "not a minority" of every stand. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Leith Green said: Not sure if you are watching the Rangers Liverpool match, immediately after Rangers score, Derry's Walls being sung by "not a minority" of every stand. They’re celebrating their Irish heritage You and I may feel that heritage to be backwards and worthless but to these primitive, salt and vinegar munching, savages hating the other sort of nth generation Irish immigrants is crucial to their identity and we should respect that part of their traditions and customs Edited October 13, 2022 by topcat(The most tip top) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 13 hours ago, Leith Green said: Not sure if you are watching the Rangers Liverpool match, immediately after Rangers score, Derry's Walls being sung by "not a minority" of every stand. I wasn't watching (sadly), but your original quote which I took issue with was "the entire stand" at Ibrox. I have friends who are season ticket holders, and were probably there last night too, and I would be 99.9999% sure they would not be singing that. There will be many more like them. Do Rangers have a higher proportion of bigots than Hearts? Of course they do. Do Hearts have a massive problem? Also, yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie greatness Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 28 minutes ago, craigkillie said: I wasn't watching (sadly), but your original quote which I took issue with was "the entire stand" at Ibrox. I have friends who are season ticket holders, and were probably there last night too, and I would be 99.9999% sure they would not be singing that. There will be many more like them. Do Rangers have a higher proportion of bigots than Hearts? Of course they do. Do Hearts have a massive problem? Also, yes. So there’s still a chance? Massive is not accurate imo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gorgie greatness said: So there’s still a chance? Massive is not accurate imo Massive is clearly not being used literally it's not quantifiable so it's going to be hard to either properly justify or falsify. But I'll try I hold it as self evident that people singing songs with taboo words describing Celtic fans in general seems pretty small beer compared to the incidents of racist abuse directed at an actual specific individuals that seem to happen every three years or so. Thus "sectarianism" isn't even a "massive" problem in the context of Hearts' problems 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C4mmy31 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, craigkillie said: I wasn't watching (sadly), but your original quote which I took issue with was "the entire stand" at Ibrox. I have friends who are season ticket holders, and were probably there last night too, and I would be 99.9999% sure they would not be singing that. There will be many more like them. Do Rangers have a higher proportion of bigots than Hearts? Of course they do. Do Hearts have a massive problem? Also, yes. You maybe wanna have listen about 7min 5secs in when it echos round the stadium from 4 stands, no turned down pitch side mics here.... Edited October 13, 2022 by C4mmy31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Why would I want to listen to loads of Rangers fans being c***s? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 46 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Why would I want to listen to loads of Rangers fans being c***s? So you can enjoy tutting at it obviously 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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