carpetmonster Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Billy Jean King said: Bigots backing bigots who knew. I’m sure the SNP will be paying huge attention to the wouldn’t vote for them even if they lived in Scotland sector. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 (edited) The opportunist crocodile tears from unionists about Kate Forbes are enough to make you boak. Edited February 22, 2023 by DeeTillEhDeh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarrbridgeSaintee Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: It is when you think they shouldn't be allowed to marry because of it. She hasn't said anyone shouldn't be able to marry though. Even if she had, it wouldn't mean she thinks they're inferior. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 22 minutes ago, Binos said: Same god isn't it Fair play for coming across as the biggest ignoramus in a thread which contains posts by Kincy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 8 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: I see the well-respected Indian Council of Scotland is at least trying to bring some sanity by highlighting their concerns about Humza: Why do you consider this group to be well-respected, @The_Kincardine? Specifics would be welcome. Their leader is the former chair and president of the Scottish Conservatives Friends of India group. That's not a reason to consider someone to be "well-respected" in my book. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Has there been any polling on the 3 contenders on their current popularity or lack of 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 38 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: The opportunist crocodile tears from unionists about Kate Forbes are enough to make you boak. Neither. I’m on record on here as saying I’m not convinced by the case for Independence. But that doesn’t automatically make me a committed Unionist. The bit that’s grinding my gears is Scotland finally seems to have an MSP who, rather than shape shifting and contorting to the fashion of the day, has the courage of her conviction to stand up and say so. However unpopular that may be. But I’ll wager there’s enough - more than likely not enough admittedly -support out there beyond the right-on Holyrood troughers and the PnB massive to see her poll respectable votes in the contest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 48 minutes ago, Trogdor said: How do you know its fictitious? It has been widely reported that the Greens would withdraw from government if the new SNP leader was Regan or Forbes. Personally, I think a party that polled 8% at the last Scottish Election (of which the majority comes from the SNP voters via the list) who have a meagre 35 councillors across Scotland should not be dictating government policy. The sooner they are despatched from the SG, the better. The reason it is fictitious is that the Green Party withdrawing from government in the event that they didn't like the new First Minister or their policies would not bring down the government. The SNP have ruled as a minority before, including for the first few months of this parliament, and would do so again if the Greens withdrew. It would not lead to another election, which is the wild assertion made by the original poster. They are clearly not dictating policy, they may well be influencing policy, and may have had some concessions in that respect as part of the deal, but the SNP are by far the dominant party in the government and have still pushed through and/or supported several issues without the support of the Greens (eg Freeports). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, alta-pete said: Neither. I’m on record on here as saying I’m not convinced by the case for Independence. But that doesn’t automatically make me a committed Unionist. The bit that’s grinding my gears is Scotland finally seems to have an MSP who, rather than shape shifting and contorting to the fashion of the day, has the courage of her conviction to stand up and say so. However unpopular that may be. But I’ll wager there’s enough - more than likely not enough admittedly -support out there beyond the right-on Holyrood troughers and the PnB massive to see her poll respectable votes in the contest. The bit that grinds my gears is the implication that folks thinking folks who are different from them should be treated equally is somehow ‘the fashion of the day’. I certainly don’t have the religious convictions of Kate Forbes but from what I remember of Sunday school, Jesus seemed to be fairly keen on the concept and that wasn’t yesterday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 44 minutes ago, Benjamin_Nevis said: Fair play for coming across as the biggest ignoramus in a thread which contains posts by Kincy. You're blinkered Sturgeons legacy is that she has produced a party in her own image which is intolerant of swathes of society and therefore unworkable But fairer apparently -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 22 minutes ago, alta-pete said: Neither. I’m on record on here as saying I’m not convinced by the case for Independence. But that doesn’t automatically make me a committed Unionist. The bit that’s grinding my gears is Scotland finally seems to have an MSP who, rather than shape shifting and contorting to the fashion of the day, has the courage of her conviction to stand up and say so. However unpopular that may be. But I’ll wager there’s enough - more than likely not enough admittedly -support out there beyond the right-on Holyrood troughers and the PnB massive to see her poll respectable votes in the contest. The quote about Unionists wasn't actually aimed at anyone here but the wider Unionist Twitterati. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, craigkillie said: The reason it is fictitious is that the Green Party withdrawing from government in the event that they didn't like the new First Minister or their policies would not bring down the government. The SNP have ruled as a minority before, including for the first few months of this parliament, and would do so again if the Greens withdrew. It would not lead to another election, which is the wild assertion made by the original poster. They are clearly not dictating policy, they may well be influencing policy, and may have had some concessions in that respect as part of the deal, but the SNP are by far the dominant party in the government and have still pushed through and/or supported several issues without the support of the Greens (eg Freeports). Did I say they would bring down the government? I was commenting on the point of the Greens making demands which are well documented. My post was not fictitious, perhaps quoting the original poster would have been an idea. In fact, if you read back the thread you will see that I made the point about governing as a minority. I well remember 2007 to 2011 when the SNP were a proper minority government with 47 seats as opposed to 64 now. Minority government isn't something to be scared of. On the second part, I'd argue that setting out red lines and saying you will withdraw from the government is beyond influencing tbh. I'll go a bit further this time - a party that can't win a constituency seat, have only 35 councillors across all of Scotland and 8% of the list vote (on the coat tails of the SNP) shouldn't even be influencing SG policy. Edited February 22, 2023 by Trogdor -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonapersona Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Christians have enjoyed power for millennia. It's quite funny watching it being rejected as an anachronism. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 36 minutes ago, alta-pete said: Neither. I’m on record on here as saying I’m not convinced by the case for Independence. But that doesn’t automatically make me a committed Unionist. Obviously not - no one who supports “let’s take back control” Brexit Britain can reasonably call themselves a “unionist”. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Quitely Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 hour ago, renton said: No, in this case I think it's because she gave them red meat to chew on. There isn't much of a conspiracy needed when you happily walk in front of every available mic and say you don't think Gay folk should be equal in the eyes of the law, won't protect Trans rights, are pro-life and think that folk with kids born out of wedlock are sinners, and do so when trying to run as leader for a party who's broader vote tends to be younger and more Liberal. She gave them red meat or she gave them it straight, take your pick. In politics there is such a thing as collective responsibility and I'm pretty sure Kate Forbes is aware that her winning the leadership wouldn't be a mandate for her to legislate hellfire and damnation across the Scottish nation. There's a grown-up debate needed here about where Scotland should be headed and that includes a whole raft of boring but very important issues outside of the current feeding frenzy. If Kate Forbes or anyone else with strong religious convictions were to deliver improvements in education, drug deaths, homelessness and ambulance waiting times then even the nation's youth might be impressed. I have no absolutely truck with religion but I've equally no time for those who insist on absolute purity of their own beliefs in anyone wishing to run for high public office. Tolerance works both ways. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 hour ago, CarrbridgeSaintee said: She hasn't said anyone shouldn't be able to marry though. Even if she had, it wouldn't mean she thinks they're inferior. By definition, if you deny some people the sanctity of marriage, and to “disagree with” is in effect to deny, you regard those people in lesser standing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 39 minutes ago, alta-pete said: Neither. I’m on record on here as saying I’m not convinced by the case for Independence. But that doesn’t automatically make me a committed Unionist. The bit that’s grinding my gears is Scotland finally seems to have an MSP who, rather than shape shifting and contorting to the fashion of the day, has the courage of her conviction to stand up and say so. However unpopular that may be. I mean she didn't really have the courage of her conviction, or else she would have resigned from the front bench under Sturgeon instead of turning maternity leave into a Get Out of Jail Free card. Her interviews have clearly torched the campaign but not just the expectation but the actual desire from some folk for politicians to brazenly lie to them is indeed utterly bizarre. Constant PR exercises have led politicians and the practice of representing the people into a job viewed with the greatest possible contempt in society. That is not a healthy thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 31 minutes ago, Binos said: You're blinkered Sturgeons legacy is that she has produced a party in her own image which is intolerant of swathes of society and therefore unworkable But fairer apparently I’m not currently an SNP member, but the intolerance is coming from the anti-Sturgeon lunatic wing of the SNP, I would suggest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 minute ago, virginton said: I mean she didn't really have the courage of her conviction, or else she would have resigned from the front bench under Sturgeon instead of turning maternity leave into a Get Out of Jail Free card. Her interviews have clearly torched the campaign but not just the expectation but the actual desire from some folk for politicians to brazenly lie to them is indeed utterly bizarre. Constant PR exercises have led politicians and the practice of representing the people into a job viewed with the greatest possible contempt in society. That is not a healthy thing. I think you’re right. She did use the Get Out of Jail Free card (as did Humza earlier). But in the totalitarianist environment of the Murrell’s SNP that actually was a very pragmatic (and lucky) outcome. Keep the heid down, prove competence, work gently away in a lower role. No one dissents, it’s a prerequisite of the sign-up. Im fairly sure she had ideas for the leadership, equally fairly sure she wasn’t expecting the opportunity to arrive right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarrbridgeSaintee Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: By definition, if you deny some people the sanctity of marriage, and to “disagree with” is in effect to deny, you regard those people in lesser standing. No you don't, and the definition states nothing of the sort. Forbes is a committed Christian who adheres to the bible. The bible says marriage is between one man and one woman, so Forbes, being a Christian, follows that. At no point has she denied people marriage or disagreed with their marriages. She doesn't make the rules. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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