itzdrk Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, BTFD said: It's long overdue, but I'm glad somebody is finally thinking of the children. Independence supporting children. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 10 hours ago, git-intae-thum said: That's some take tbh........because given the absolute mess the cultural warriors and devolutionists have made it would appear that it has been the lunatic fringe in charge of the SNP these last few years. This is an opportunity for the party to refocus on things that actually matter. Like independence for example. Independence is a secondary issue for the majority of voters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 45 minutes ago, ScotiaNostra said: You can see that a lot of resentment has built up within the SNP thats coming out now on all sides. A bit more freedom of thought should be allowed in future without the need for name calling if someone has different views. The type of party the SNP is means it will have diverse views so you cant force them on everyone you need to be reaching a compromise. Hopefully thats one lesson learnt but reading any social media or even this thread at times that looks unlikely. All political parties have diverse views 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 15 hours ago, Granny Danger said: The anti-SNP/anti-Independence posters on here enjoying their moment in the sun. Soon be time to head back to their basements though. Its quite surprising that the SNP fan boys cannot see just how far the party has fallen. Its people like GD and the others on here who are to blame now if we dont see independence, their acceptance of incompetence are to blame for the failure of the indy campaign. GD can try and pull out the ‘but who would you vote for?’ Tragic patter all he wants, but it was his party who fucked it for everyone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 23 minutes ago, Trogdor said: I couldn't give a stuff when the First Minister actually works. I'm interested in deliverables which are ultimately improving the life and opportunities of the people of Scotland and delivering independence. Whether that takes 50 hours a week or 20 hours a week is irrelevant. I find it a bit bizarre that people get worked up by that. I have worked a couple of Sundays in my entire career to date (c.20 years). Looks like the deliverables are going to be coming from the right... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, renton said: Looks like the deliverables are going to be coming from the right... About time too. Forbes looks as if she has no time for all the socialist nonsense. Scotland should be a place to which people with talent and aspiration are attracted. We desperately need people who know how to build and create businesses and, as a consequence, make money. -5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 8 minutes ago, renton said: Looks like the deliverables are going to be coming from the right... Kate Forbes really might be the worst of the lot. Trickle down economics doesn’t work. It’s pretty abhorrent for the prospective leader of a left wing party to be coming out with nonsense like that. May as well vote Starmer. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 15 minutes ago, renton said: Looks like the deliverables are going to be coming from the right... Just worth pointing out that Toni was the candidate in Dumbarton, who couldnt beat a labour candidate who when health minister shut her own local accident and emergency. Followed his campaign very closely and he was a complete diddy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Just worth pointing out that Toni was the candidate in Dumbarton, who couldnt beat a labour candidate who when health minister shut her own local accident and emergency. Followed his campaign very closely and he was a complete diddy. Well, it was only really to point to Forbes own comments in the FT, rather than any of the other commentary there. If she wins she'll try and swing the party to the right, economically as well as socially. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Also, not convinced any SNP candidate will fare that well in Trident land anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 21 hours ago, MazzyStar said: It definitely won’t be put to one side. Yousaf was obviously the preferred candidate of Sturgeon and Murrell and with them both gone the sections of the party who were mostly kept in line by their authoritarian leadership of the party will be emboldened by their exit. This shambles is no less than the SNP deserves after a number of years of terrible governance. You’d hope they’d get their act together but I doubt it. 9 hours ago, Boo Khaki said: If the SNP wanted rid of Cherry they could have punted her quite transparently years ago, but why martyr her? To be honest, there is a bit of me has sympathy for the people that do complain about the lack of action, because it's crystal clear that they are committing a boot-worthy offence going by the letter of the SNP law, but as I say, the lack of action is completely at odds with the claims by these people that they are being 'silenced' or 'cancelled', so i can understand why hauling them over the coals about it and punting repeat offenders would actually just play into the persecution narrative. I think the latter point here is important in light of the first. Murrell had clearly made his position untenable in terms of general dysfunction even without the specifics which forced his resignation now. The SNP would likely be in a better place now if he'd gone several years ago, even if that wasn't all the way back when Sturgeon became leader as would probably have been the best course of action. However, the party was evidently so dysfunctional that the notion the leadership was an authoritarian force keeping everyone in line collapses under the slightest scrutiny, albeit that may not have been for lack of trying on Murrell's part. When you've had the likes of Cherry going off message and openly attacking Sturgeon to the extent she was consistently breaking the SNP's rules every other time she's spoken in public for about five years, it's clear that there was basically no control of their elected representatives. There's no way you can look at some of the discourse coming out of MPs and MSPs and conclude they were all being controlled by authoritarian office bearers. That complete lack of discipline is a product of the same dysfunction that allowed Murrell to make shit up about membership numbers, throw other staffers under the bus in doing so and think he could get away with it. You can see now that it's a party where internal due process and rules had basically collapsed. In a political party with sound governance Murrell wouldn't have gotten away with staying in post as long as he has, and the likes of Cherry & Mason would have been expelled for flagrant breaches of their code of conduct. Both the leadership and their most fervent internal opponents have benefitted from that total dysfunction, rather than a simple one way street of the leadership weaponising it to target those they disagree with. That lack of internal discipline alongside the all round poor governance has undoubtedly contributed to this election being such a shitshow. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Definite signs of SLab fan boys getting all excited and creeping back out from under their respective stones. I can only speak for myself but just to reassure them that they are galaxies away from being worthy of a vote. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Just now, renton said: Also, not convinced any SNP candidate will fare that well in Trident land anyway. Dumbarton and Clydebank was one of the only pro yes voting areas in 2014, has had an snp led council and the Clydebank/Dumbarton and Helensburgh MP’s are SNP. A gorilla with a yellow ribbon should have been able to win that seat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Did Toni not try to own Glenn Campbell for grammar the other day and ended in self-own a as he made a spelling error in his tweet. That's literally all I know him for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Dumbarton and Clydebank was one of the only pro yes voting areas in 2014, has had an snp led council and the Clydebank/Dumbarton and Helensburgh MP’s are SNP. A gorilla with a yellow ribbon should have been able to win that seat. Fair fucks. In any event, it's Forbes own comments from the FT that are worth bearing in mind here. Trickle down economics and social conservatism from the SNP leader... game's fucked in that case. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 1 minute ago, renton said: Fair fucks. In any event, it's Forbes own comments from the FT that are worth bearing in mind here. Trickle down economics and social conservatism from the SNP leader... game's fucked in that case. Can you share the article from the FT? I'm not a subscriber. Not that I'm distrusting but it's easy to pull something out with the context. Particularly when it's a partisan on twitter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 23 minutes ago, Wingman said: About time too. Forbes looks as if she has no time for all the socialist nonsense. Scotland should be a place to which people with talent and aspiration are attracted. We desperately need people who know how to build and create businesses and, as a consequence, make money. Trickle-down was discredited years ago. It's only the economic illiterates and the super-rich that support it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, Alert Mongoose said: Definite signs of SLab fan boys getting all excited and creeping back out from under their respective stones. I can only speak for myself but just to reassure them that they are galaxies away from being worthy of a vote. For those who are gut sick of the Tories, the choices at the next General Election are: vote for the increasingly dysfunctional SNP and keep wishing and hoping for independence on the never never; vote Labour who are the only party who can realistically oust the Tories. Then if Labour get in, SLab will be crowing about how they are back. Then it’s 2026. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Trogdor said: Can you share the article from the FT? I'm not a subscriber. Not that I'm distrusting but it's easy to pull something out with the context. Particularly when it's a partisan on twitter. https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcontent%2F17a1fffc-d820-49c5-a5a7-d588332dc10a 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) What are her actual poilices that come under trickle down economics? Its easy to use terms like that but be helpful for some evidence of the actual policies. If she hasnt been clear enough then thats a good question to ask her related to this claim of trickle down economics Edited March 19, 2023 by ScotiaNostra 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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