Guest Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, ICTChris said: I would say that Margaret Thatcher and Tonty Blair were talented politicians. They won thumping election victories and were able to make huge changes to the country after winning them. Both them as individuals and those changes they made have been judged increasingly harshly over time. That contrasts with Nye Bevan, for example. I'd posit him as a "good politician". Your point is surely true, though, that it's an entirely subjective concept. Edited March 27, 2023 by FreedomFarter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, coprolite said: I guess this wasn't exactly serious but none of those were invented in Scotland, the steam engine was only improved by a Scot and Logie Baird's claim as the inventor of telly is shaky. They do make a reasonable case that there's a brain drain, which could explain the dearth of political talent. Mind you, Westminster's not exactly dripping with political nous and rousing oratory. I mean aye and no, just feel like for a country that gave so much to the world we seem to have a massive self destructive streak. Its calamitous . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QwaarJet Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 As a trans person I am so worried about this outcome. I'd prefer if the person running Scotland didn't hate my very existence. So I'm hoping for Humza, but man is he an uninspiring choice. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 25 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: I mean aye and no, just feel like for a country that gave so much to the world we seem to have a massive self destructive streak. Its calamitous . You’re being a bit dramatic. Aye the candidates aren’t great but it’s not like the country is going to spontaneously combust or our history wiped. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: I mean aye and no, just feel like for a country that gave so much to the world we seem to have a massive self destructive streak. Its calamitous . Not sure how exceptional we've been really, apart from the Scottish Enlightenment the main things we've contributed have been whisky and slavery. P.S. Forgot to include The Sensational Alex Harvey Band. Edited March 27, 2023 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Not sure how exceptional we've been really, apart from the Scottish Enlightenment the main things we've contributed have been whisky and slavery. Grand Theft Auto. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Not sure how exceptional we've been really, apart from the Scottish Enlightenment the main things we've contributed have been whisky and slavery. "What have the Romans ever done for us" thread for this and related posts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 52 minutes ago, coprolite said: I guess this wasn't exactly serious but none of those were invented in Scotland, the steam engine was only improved by a Scot and Logie Baird's claim as the inventor of telly is shaky. Indeed. Just like the Tesla is 'only an improvement' on the Sinclair C5. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 19 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Not sure how exceptional we've been really, apart from the Scottish Enlightenment the main things we've contributed have been whisky and slavery. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 The candidates get told the results shortly before the announcement so might get a clue from the look of last minute panic or despondency before it comes out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Kate Forbes has won. Her acceptance speech has now been leaked on YouTube. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 42 minutes ago, QwaarJet said: As a trans person I am so worried about this outcome. I'd prefer if the person running Scotland didn't hate my very existence. So I'm hoping for Humza, but man is he an uninspiring choice. I don't know that it's so much that they hate your existence as they refuse to accept that you exist at all. Must be a worrying time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 hours ago, George Cowley said: Not really. After the previous incumbent was outed as a pederast and with about 3 hours notice, Forbes was identified as about the only SNP MSP with any real world experience in finance. I think it was as much a case of ‘you’ll do’ rather than any sort of wilful grooming for future leadership. And her immediate stance on anything to do with HR’s governance seems noticeably at odds with Sturgeons position. Don't agree. NS correctly identified her as someone who's intelligent and speaks well. I would like to know at which point her batshit beliefs became known though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Dunning1874 said: Who are these SNP big hitters in Westminster? The only examples I can see of the SNP deliberately keeping a big name down there instead of getting them into Holyrood were Robertson, who has only ended up in Holyrood due to losing his Westminster seat, and Hosie. Those MPs who've made a name and public profile for themselves in their time as MPs were all total nobodies when they were first selected, which was relatively recently for all of them. Black was 20 when she was elected, Flynn had no national profile before December and was only first elected in 2019. I don't see any examples of them purposefully treating Holyrood as a dumping ground for second rate candidates in the manner of Labour in the noughties, where anyone with any reputation was immediately whisked off to Westminster. I rate Black, Shepherd and Flynn. Cherry possibly though I think she's a shitstirrer and don't agree w/ her on the trans issue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 30 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Not sure how exceptional we've been really, apart from the Scottish Enlightenment the main things we've contributed have been whisky and slavery. MS, and Diabetes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 10 minutes ago, welshbairn said: The candidates get told the results shortly before the announcement so might get a clue from the look of last minute panic or despondency before it comes out. Thats a pity I was hoping to see how they reacted but I suppose fair enough to give them a heads up first 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Been a while since I've seen James Cook on the telly. His hairline is in a bad place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, Miguel Sanchez said: Been a while since I've seen James Cook on the telly. His hairline is in a bad place. His article on the BBC website the other day was actually alright. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said: Been a while since I've seen James Cook on the telly. His hairline is in a bad place. I was just going to post that John Curtis is looking very gaunt. Edited March 27, 2023 by Savage Henry 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 How long before the first foot in mouth by whoever wins, can they get through the victory speech 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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