The Very Meh Humza Yousaf Thread.

[Todd_is_God]

7 minutes ago, GTG_03 said:

There's weirdos in every party.

Whilst true, the Scottish Greens are both especially and universally weird.

[Trogdor]

One of the reasons the Greens do so well is that they camp on the list for 2nd votes from SNP voters. You are lucky if they stand in one constituency per regional list. That's why you end up with parliamentarians as annoying as Ross Greer. He's incapable of winning a FPTP election.

I think the Scottish Greens plan to stand in three seats at the next WM election. That's about 5% of all the seats. That should speak volumes, they are not a national party. When they are labeled as urbanites and central belters, it is entirely fair.

I should point out that the Scottish Greens are not alone in getting elected via the list. A majority of Unionists get elected via the list for Holyrood as well as the SNP massacre them in the constituency FPTP votes.

[Jedi2]

If however the Greens were to pull put of their agreement with the SNP (if Humza doesn't appeal the GRA decision say)...no majority for the govt, then how do they pass budgets etc?

[jakedee]

35 minutes ago, Jedi2 said:

If however the Greens were to pull put of their agreement with the SNP (if Humza doesn't appeal the GRA decision say)...no majority for the govt, then how do they pass budgets etc?

The same way they do in the majority of Parliaments that don't have the undemocratic archaic FPTP system.

[BFTD]

1 hour ago, jakedee said:

The same way they do in the majority of Parliaments that don't have the undemocratic archaic FPTP system.

Could be wrong, but I think the point is supposed to be that the rest of parliament would vote against the SNP on virtually everything as soon as their majority disappeared.

[sophia]

49 minutes ago, BFTD said:

Could be wrong, but I think the point is supposed to be that the rest of parliament would vote against the SNP on virtually everything as soon as their majority disappeared.

and they would pay a high price for such childish behaviour when votes are counted.

[Trogdor]

A history lesson, the SNP have governed as minority administration for the majority of their tenure.

The SNP governed as a minority from 2007 to 2011.

The SNP governed as a minority from 2016 until 2021. 

A minority administration is nothing to fear. It actually encourages compromise and consensus. A much better proposition than FPTP outcomes.

Edited December 9, 2023 by Trogdor

[lichtgilphead]

3 hours ago, Jedi2 said:

If however the Greens were to pull put of their agreement with the SNP (if Humza doesn't appeal the GRA decision say)...no majority for the govt, then how do they pass budgets etc?

Are you suggesting that Alba will vote against an SNP budget? That;s the only way the opposition would have a majority.

SNP 63 + Alba 1 = 64

Con 31 + Lab 22 + Gre 7 + LD 4 = 64

Nice to see that you want Lab & Con to vote together though. How socialist.

[superbigal]

Not sure this is the kind of leader you want to be shaking hands with.

 

So the Turkish general population were heard to have said.

 

 

Edited December 10, 2023 by superbigal

[sophia]

2 minutes ago, superbigal said:

Not sure this is the kind of leader you want to be shaking hands with.

As a statesman on the world stage our First Minister must network with other leaders and especially so if it annoys the porcine politician

[GTG_03]

4 minutes ago, sophia said:

As a statesman on the world stage our First Minister must network with other leaders and especially so if it annoys the porcine politician

How very precious of lord Cameron. They just can't handle Scotland looking like a nation on the world stage. If it annoys Cameron, sunak etc I'm all for it. 

[Freedom Farter]

10 minutes ago, sophia said:

As a statesman on the world stage our First Minister must network with other leaders and especially so if it annoys the porcine politician

From that article, I'm with Roza:

 

Which isn't to disagree with your point. It has hee haw to do with David Cameron and he can ram his "protocol".

[Trogdor]

Aye, I'm with Roza as well. Erdoğan really isn't a leader you want to be seen with.

Lord Cameron can do one as well. If I could click my fingers like Thanos and make people disappear Cameron & Erdoğan would be on my list.

[doulikefish]

There's been a video from one of  Cameron's nominees for the Lords quick Dave say some snp bad 

[Freedom Farter]

3 hours ago, superbigal said:

Not sure this is the kind of leader you want to be shaking hands with.

 

So the Turkish general population were heard to have said.

 

 

Sure although its important to note that's not why the UK government objected. From the BBC article linked above:

It was specifically Yousaf agreeing with Erdogan on the need for a ceasefire in Gaza, something Erdogan is correct on, which annoyed the UK government. 

If its instead relations with Erdogan's Turkey we want to take issue with then a Humza Yousaf handshake is not the place to start. The foreign office funds a group established by David Cameron himself which lobbies for closer relations with Turkey. It's chaired by Jack Straw and patroned by His Royal Nonciness Prince Andrew: https://www.declassifieduk.org/the-british-cabal-courting-turkeys-erdogan-regime/. There's also all the UK arms sales to Turkey: https://caat.org.uk/data/countries/turkey/uk-arms-sales-to-turkey/.

We can safely assume Roza Salih already opposes and criticises the Labour and Tory parties' stance on relations with Turkey. Therefore, she can criticise her party on this issue in good faith, there is clear consistency from her. That won't be the case for everyone commenting on Yousaf today.

 

[O'Kelly Isley III]

Humza Yousaf was ill-advised to associate with Erdogan.  No matter his views on a ceasefire in Gaza, he is an utter b*****d with plenty of blood on his own hands.

Not surprisingly the optics of it were awful, and it reeks of SNP politicians (again) prioritising opportunities to build up their part on the global stage without fully considering just who is literally in the same frame.

And Cameron's hissy fit should be viewed as just that.

[doulikefish]

11 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

 

And Cameron's hissy fit should be viewed as just that.

Cameron's dept just announced 1000 jobs going at east Kilbride the old deflect mode activated 

[Trogdor]

41 minutes ago, doulikefish said:

Cameron's dept just announced 1000 jobs going at east Kilbride the old deflect mode activated 

Ehhh, am I being whooshed here?

They are moving to Glasgow. The jobs aren't disappearing 

[doulikefish]

14 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

Ehhh, am I being whooshed here?

They are moving to Glasgow. The jobs aren't disappearing 

More jobs in Ek were promised not closing the site down

[DeeTillEhDeh]

On 08/12/2023 at 21:17, virginton said:

How many bills by the devolved administrations have been blocked since Brexit? 

The reality is that Holyrood produced a crock of shit law that would obviously be entangled with Equality Act legislation. No amount of 'aye but we say it doesnae' is effective, in the exact same way as the attempt of the Westminster 'government' to make Rwanda a safe destination for asylum just because isn't going to wash either. 

Sensible political leaders would have ditched this obvious fail years ago and let Westminster handle an utterly toxic issue. But Holyrood politicians prefer to tinker with largely inconsequential issues rather than focus on the nuts and bolts of government. That problem predates SNP government - it's been there since 1999. 

There is a time and an issue for making a stand against a section 35 - this was neither the time nor the issue to die on a hill for.