Loonytoons Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 58 minutes ago, Loonytoons said: Most likely or possible? I can't seem to find the link to the whole wide x-ray thing. Bored so I actually had a proper look. Assumptions of average temperature along with assumptions of relative humidity have a massive impact on aging the shroud. For 1300 years of unknown storage it would have to have been kept at 20-22.5⁰C. higher than that it's going to be younger and lower, older. Knowing the likely conditions it was kept at for 700 has most probably debunked the fact the shroud is as young as the ¹⁴c dating had it at though, however given that they have assumed 700 years at 12.5⁰C and then measured the next 1300 years from there, if that 12.5⁰C isn't accurate they've started plotting from the wrong point. Back to the guy switching from athiesm to Christianity based on that? That is utterly laughable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Ah, those Christians... a great bunch of lads - "The regulator has declined to take action against a newly registered Pentecostal Christian charity which is promoting gay 'conversion therapy', spiritual abuse and the subjugation of women. The website of Forward In Faith Church International Incorporated (FIFCII) describes the exorcism of a man possessed by a "homosexual spirit" as a "miracle". Another page sets out the responsibilities of a wife: she is to respect her husband, say yes when he asks for sex, and not nag." (From https://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2024/08/charity-watchdog-refuses-to-act-on-gay-exorcism-church ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 The subjugation of women is standard practice in many religions, including one we have to be wary of criticising for fear of being labelled Islamophobic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Religion is for utter gimps. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 3 hours ago, Salt n Vinegar said: Ah, those Christians... a great bunch of lads - "The regulator has declined to take action against a newly registered Pentecostal Christian charity which is promoting gay 'conversion therapy', spiritual abuse and the subjugation of women. The website of Forward In Faith Church International Incorporated (FIFCII) describes the exorcism of a man possessed by a "homosexual spirit" as a "miracle". Another page sets out the responsibilities of a wife: she is to respect her husband, say yes when he asks for sex, and not nag." (From https://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2024/08/charity-watchdog-refuses-to-act-on-gay-exorcism-church ) My wife certainly doesn't belong to that denomination. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 Read Ephesians 5:4. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumpy Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 Or Jeremiah 4:19. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyAnchor Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 Or Trump 1:06 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 49 minutes ago, Plumpy said: Or Jeremiah 4:19. Snowflake. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 If you flick thru all these verses, has someone just written 'you're a w**k' at the bottom of the page of the last one? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 Your neck is like an ivory tower. Your eyes are the pools of Heshbon by the gate of Bath Rabbim. Your nose is like the tower of Lebanon looking toward Damascus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venti Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 The biblical accurate 'Angels' are scary AF. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Venti said: The biblical accurate 'Angels' are scary AF. A biblically accurate Jesus would have a sword in his mouth and be riding two donkeys at the same time and killing the children of adulterers. Be not afraid! Edited September 2 by Aim Here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 Chepstow 17:10 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave94 Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 On 23/08/2024 at 12:56, DA Baracus said: Religion is for utter gimps. Aren't the majority of our values and laws are based on traditional Christian values? Most societies around the world function because of their traditional religious laws and values, there is no avoiding it regardless with your take on religions. Its a structure to build a civilised society around and it works for millions. Its like saying I want nothing to do with politics, but you are involved in one way or another whether you like it or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 6 minutes ago, CityDave94 said: Aren't the majority of our values and laws are based on traditional Christian values? You say that like it's a good thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 It was acceptable to hold religious beliefs when we didn’t know any better. When we didn’t have the scientific understanding to explain life and the universe. Even if we acknowledge that because of that religion played a large part in our development, now that we know better religion should be set aside in favour of a logic based society. The concept of ‘faith’ is wholly outdated and dangerous. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: It was acceptable to hold religious beliefs when we didn’t know any better. When we didn’t have the scientific understanding to explain life and the universe. Even if we acknowledge that because of that religion played a large part in our development, now that we know better religion should be set aside in favour of a logic based society. The concept of ‘faith’ is wholly outdated and dangerous. What makes it outdated though? Is it because Jesus was here over 2000 years ago or is it more because we have had generations of secular thinking now. Also, science and Christian beliefs are not anything like as far apart as you seem to think/cling to. Edited September 2 by jimbaxters 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 (edited) 17 minutes ago, CityDave94 said: Aren't the majority of our values and laws are based on traditional Christian values? Which ones, specifically? Outside of a few Christian-specific laws against blasphemy, for instance, can you point to any laws and values that we only get in Christian societies, as opposed to Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist or various flavours of ancient pagan ones? Just because we happen to have been in a Christian society for the last couple of millennia doesn't mean that codes of laws (a decidedly non-Judeo-Christian invention, note) are necessarily Christian. Japan is one of the few countries in the world that weren't invaded by Christian adventurers - Christian interaction with Japan was pretty much limited to Portugal trying to convert Japanese people in the 16th and early 17th century before being given a clip around the ear and sent packing. Yet somehow, it's notion of laws and values isn't completely at odds with ours. A court system and a judiciary and a code of laws not particularly dissimilar to ours. What's specifically Christian about any of our basic moral values or laws? Edited September 2 by Aim Here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loonytoons Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 53 minutes ago, Richey Edwards said: Your neck is like an ivory tower. Your eyes are the pools of Heshbon by the gate of Bath Rabbim. Your nose is like the tower of Lebanon looking toward Damascus. And your father smelt of elderberries. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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