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14 hours ago, oneteaminglasgow said:

Based on the model above saying that 63 is the tipping point for likely winning the league, that would mean us winning all of our remaining 5, and making it 6 wins in a row overall. I have no idea when we last had a run of form that good, but my guess would be that it’s some time ago. Even if we did it, we’d be looking for favours from elsewhere to stop Queens or Dundee getting more than that.

I think that for us, and Ayr, the best we can hope for is catching either Dundee or Queens, but not both. 

I thought it might have been the league 1 season - but it was only 5 wins and a draw. Totally different circumstances, even although we were in a similar position - ie several points off top with a few teams in between.

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23 hours ago, ptfc. 22 said:

What did you use to create the sim? 

excel macro, Elo formula is from clubelo.com and starting ratings are based on bookies odds at start of season

20 hours ago, ExiledLichtie said:

Your model is so much more confident about Arbroath than I am!

yeah there's always one bit I think "aye that looks a bit wrong" any time I post it, and that would be it for this occasion. Arbroath are rated higher than Hamilton, have a 3 point plus practically insurmountable GD advantage and there's only 6 games left hence the %. However with Hamilton having their easiest remaining game on paper and Arbroath one of their hardest it might look different on Sunday. Hamilton were about 88% favourite to go down at start of January so it can change quite a bit.

15 hours ago, oneteaminglasgow said:

Based on the model above saying that 63 is the tipping point for likely winning the league, that would mean us winning all of our remaining 5, and making it 6 wins in a row overall. I have no idea when we last had a run of form that good, but my guess would be that it’s some time ago. Even if we did it, we’d be looking for favours from elsewhere to stop Queens or Dundee getting more than that.

I think that for us, and Ayr, the best we can hope for is catching either Dundee or Queens, but not both. 

Can only imagine it was the 8 wins in a row the last time we won this league (even that had the fog abandonment in the middle which we almost certainly weren't going to win), as said the run to win L1 was 5 wins, a draw away to Cove then another win.

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With all such elo or monte carlo modelling, as the remaining data points (i.e. games) reduce then the variance from the average gets less and less likely.

When you get down to a bigger points gap than the number of games remaining, then it gets tricky to see you catching somebody. It helps this is such a small League, as you get more "6 pointers" and a bit more possible variance than say in the English leagues.

The percentages here look reasonable, at this stage of the season all fans get more and more pessimistic but we can't all be pessimistic and right. Ultimately it's a zero sum game.

Ayr is probably going to finish third or fourth, with an outside and rapidly receding chance of second or fifth.  

 

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This ultimately comes down to a title race between QP and Dundee, IMHO.

The Dees were promoted in 2011/12, relegated in 2012/13, promoted in 2013/14, relegated in 2018/19, promoted in 2020-21, relegated in 2021/22.

Queen's Park were last in the top-tier in the 1950s.

Surely any neutral will be rooting for Queen's Park? 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, G_&_T said:

This ultimately comes down to a title race between QP and Dundee, IMHO.

The Dees were promoted in 2011/12, relegated in 2012/13, promoted in 2013/14, relegated in 2018/19, promoted in 2020-21, relegated in 2021/22.

Queen's Park were last in the top-tier in the 1950s.

Surely any neutral will be rooting for Queen's Park? 

 

 

You have been parading this narrative for around a month now. Your Queens Park brown nosing is vomit inducing.

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11 minutes ago, G_&_T said:

This ultimately comes down to a title race between QP and Dundee, IMHO.

The Dees were promoted in 2011/12, relegated in 2012/13, promoted in 2013/14, relegated in 2018/19, promoted in 2020-21, relegated in 2021/22.

Queen's Park were last in the top-tier in the 1950s.

Surely any neutral will be rooting for Queen's Park? 

 

 

Form would have to favor Dundee. They clearly know how to get promoted.

 

And relegated

 

And promoted

 

And relegated.

 

Etc

 

Etc

 

Thank you

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1 minute ago, johnnydun said:

You have been parading this narrative for around a month now. Your Queens Park brown nosing is vomit inducing.

I would love them to win the title with a controversial penalty in the last seconds of stoppage time, against you in the last game of the season. If it's at Hampden, I will be there...then on here to gloat. 😊

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Just now, G_&_T said:

I would love them to win the title with a controversial penalty in the last seconds of stoppage time, against you in the last game of the season. If it's at Hampden, I will be there...then on here to gloat. 😊

And if they don't and Dundee win by about 6 points you will be nowhere to be seen.

Melt.

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21 minutes ago, johnnydun said:

And if they don't and Dundee win by about 6 points you will be nowhere to be seen.

Melt.

He'll be nowhere to be seen whatever happens, full of shite. IMO.

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Considering I've never noticed this poster before, I'm impressed how quickly he's became one of the most painfully tedious and pointless on the site. The only way he can get anyone to care about his posts is by pandering. Weird weegie git with nae team, imo.

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38 minutes ago, RossBFaeDundee said:

Considering I've never noticed this poster before, I'm impressed how quickly he's became one of the most painfully tedious and pointless on the site. The only way he can get anyone to care about his posts is by pandering. Weird weegie git with nae team, imo.

Always highly, highly suspicious of “neutrals”. 

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I know you shouldn’t jinx things, but two wins for us by Tuesday will see us 8 clear of Patrick and 5 clear of QP with 4 to play. That, coupled with the fact we have a home game against Cove still to come would be the title wrapped up, I would dare to say…

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10 minutes ago, Spikethedee said:

I know you shouldn’t jinx things, but two wins for us by Tuesday will see us 8 clear of Patrick and 5 clear of QP with 4 to play. That, coupled with the fact we have a home game against Cove still to come would be the title wrapped up, I would dare to say…

Not a chance are we winning both of those.

It's not the Dundee way.

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