strichener Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 15 hours ago, Sheas_cake said: "Freezing pensioners" is absolute nonsense for a start. 43% of pensioners live in fuel poverty. That is nearly 50% higher than the rate for non-pensioners and there will absolutely be freezing pensioners. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 11 minutes ago, Sheas_cake said: Almost anyone on less than full State Pension will be entitled to claim Pension Credit (unless they have well-into-five-figures capital) - and therefore WFP That means that any pensioner with an income of more than £11,343.80 per annum will not qualify for either pension credits or WHA. The cut off point is way too low. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 2 hours ago, strichener said: Utterly bizarre take. It was of course a jest. Although nowhere near as bizarre as your 'greedy train drivers and teachers have crashed the economy and are freezing pensioners to death' take mind. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 1 hour ago, Cheese said: It was of course a jest. Although nowhere near as bizarre as your 'greedy train drivers and teachers have crashed the economy and are freezing pensioners to death' take mind. Go back to steam trains that run on pensioners. Then the shiftless button pressing c***s would be earning their money and the Tory voting grasping old c***s would be kept nice and warm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 1 minute ago, carpetmonster said: Go back to steam trains that run on pensioners. Then the shiftless button pressing c***s would be earning their money and the Tory voting grasping old c***s would be kept nice and warm. Running trains on pensioners means something different these days. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 1 minute ago, Cheese said: Running trains on pensioners means something different these days. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 Clearly someone hasn't heard of "A Teaching Profession for the 21st Century". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 I wondered how long it would take @Todd_is_God to appear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 Just now, DeeTillEhDeh said: I wondered how long it would take @Todd_is_God to appear. Tbh I've not really been paying attention and was chucking dots about looking for a reaction. Didn't expect one so quickly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 Just now, Todd_is_God said: Tbh I've not really been paying attention and was chucking dots about looking for a reaction. Didn't expect one so quickly. I'm just surprised you hadn't contributed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 Just now, DeeTillEhDeh said: I'm just surprised you hadn't contributed. Like I said - not been paying enough attention to form an opinion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 16 hours ago, Freedom Farter said: Yep, I can only hope that our administration learns from the last auction - while I dont fully blame them, its criminal and feels absolutely amateur that - apart from the fabled "supply chain and infrastructure jobs" - we are not benefiting on an ongoing basis. Renewables should be the basis for making Scotland a much richer and fairer country - and the only way to do that is to get a recurring stake in the huge sums of cash they generate. Our politicians infuriate me by appearing not to understand this. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 23 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: The 2% in January was agreed by CoSLA last year and only ran to 1 August - there has to be a new deal. The 4.27% was offered by CoSLA yesterday (not the Scottish Government) and has yet to be agreed on (although the EIS has advised it be accepted by members). It is still below the 5.5% pay deal offered to teachers, nurses and NHS staff in England and the 22% offered to junior doctors in England. You also mentioned train drivers, so, in England, they got a 5% backdated pay rise for 2022 to 2023, a 4.75% rise for 2023 to 2024, and 4.5% increase for 2024 to 2025. The National Living Wage has been increased as well up by 10% - around 30% higher than it was in 2015. It's also been increased by almost 22% for younger age bands. In the UK, average pay is up 5% (4.9% in the private sector). The strongest pay growth was in manufacturing at 5.9%, and public sector pay at 5.6%. When adjusted for the lowest measure of inflation (the Consumer Prices Index including owner occupiers' housing costs (CPIH)), the latest figures show regular pay rose on the year by just 1%. Adjusted for RPI, wages have fallen compared to prices. Analysis of Office for National Statistics data shows that public sector earnings have fallen in real terms by 4.3% from 2010-2022 with some professions experiencing falls of as much as 13%. Pay for teachers in Scotland fell by 13% between 2020 and 2019 and was still 9% in 2023 despite the pay deals in the following 4 years. The drops in public sector pay compounded with the cost of living crisis has meant that recent wage rises for workers in the public sector only helped keep pace with inflation (just about) but did nothing to restore pay to previous levels. Private sector median weekly pay also decreased over this time, but by a smaller rate of 1.9%. As for the initial comment about "freezing pensioners" that is well worn ground. It isn't the Scottish Government who decided that only 11% of pensioners would get the winter fuel payment. It is a direct consequence of the UK making a consequential cut in the Scottish block grant - they had no option but to follow suit, as they have done in Wales and Northern Ireland. To then see the Secretary of State for Scotland then handed £150million to with what he wants makes is a double smack in the face. The Scottish Government, unlike Westminster, has to balance the books, and tough choices have had to be made this year - just like tough choices were made to cushion the worst excesses of austerity. Yes, there have been choices which should not have been made - last year's council tax freeze being a prime example, but the reality is that we've had 14 years of austerity and robbing Peter to pay Paul to mitigate austerity. It's no surprise that at some point (just as local authorities have found) there is no more meat left on the bone to cut. The only one here who is silly is you to believe the bullshit emanating from Rachel Reeves and Ian Murray. The Scottish Government are directly involved in negotiations on teachers' pay, unlike other Council workers (in theory at least,) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 (edited) 28 minutes ago, MacDonald Jardine said: The Scottish Government are directly involved in negotiations on teachers' pay, unlike other Council workers (in theory at least,) From CoSLA's own documents - the highlighted section states otherwise. In recent years ministers have only got involved once when there was a complete impasse between CoSLA and the teaching unions. "The Scottish Negotiating Committee for Teachers (SNCT ) This covers teachers and other associated professionals, for example, Educational Psychologists. The SNCT is a tripartite (three party) negotiating body with the Employers, Scottish Government and a range of teaching unions represented, including the EIS, SSTA, NASUWT, SLS and AHDS*. The SNCT has 22 members, appointed annually, from COSLA, Scottish Government and teaching unions. COSLA has 8 representatives, with substitutions allowed. The SNCT has decision making authority. In practice however, positions on financial matters, and in particular pay, are reserved for COSLA Leaders who provide negotiating remits." Edited September 5 by DeeTillEhDeh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 On 04/09/2024 at 16:55, Cheese said: It was of course a jest. Although nowhere near as bizarre as your 'greedy train drivers and teachers have crashed the economy and are freezing pensioners to death' take mind. Another bizarre take. Surely a woosh here?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 On 04/09/2024 at 19:15, DeeTillEhDeh said: Clearly someone hasn't heard of "A Teaching Profession for the 21st Century". Aye, the teachers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 12 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: From CoSLA's own documents - the highlighted section states otherwise. In recent years ministers have only got involved once when there was a complete impasse between CoSLA and the teaching unions. "The Scottish Negotiating Committee for Teachers (SNCT ) This covers teachers and other associated professionals, for example, Educational Psychologists. The SNCT is a tripartite (three party) negotiating body with the Employers, Scottish Government and a range of teaching unions represented, including the EIS, SSTA, NASUWT, SLS and AHDS*. The SNCT has 22 members, appointed annually, from COSLA, Scottish Government and teaching unions. COSLA has 8 representatives, with substitutions allowed. The SNCT has decision making authority. In practice however, positions on financial matters, and in particular pay, are reserved for COSLA Leaders who provide negotiating remits." In practice. Maybe at the time this was written. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houston_bud Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 Not worth a thread on its own, and really a non story but why would you ever feel the need to lie about this? Why not just admit it the first time, no one would've given a shit. Got to wonder about some of these clowns. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallant Pioneer Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 3 hours ago, houston_bud said: Not worth a thread on its own, and really a non story but why would you ever feel the need to lie about this? Why not just admit it the first time, no one would've given a shit. Got to wonder about some of these clowns. It never fails to amaze me how fecking stupid politicians are. Politicians can do stupid stuff but it’s the lies that pisses people off. How can this clown be trusted. What important stuff has he lied about in the past or will do again in the future? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 The consistently tinpot nature of the SNP's various f**k ups and scandals is really something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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