FairWeatherFan Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 9 minutes ago, Sparticus said: England and France the top two successful European nations now and both have no no B teams in their league system Not quite true. If we ignore England's reserves as they're so low and doesn't involve full-time teams. France does have B teams up until the 4th tier where they cannot be promoted further. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: Not quite true. If we ignore England's reserves as they're so low and doesn't involve full-time teams. France does have B teams up until the 4th tier where they cannot be promoted further. 60 clubs above those leagues and no significant big b teams would put clubs in the equivelant WOS or EOS leagues without any chance od going further Rangers and Celtic b finished joint 44th and 45th after buying their way in this season.It's a disgrace. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 15 minutes ago, Sparticus said: 60 clubs above those leagues and no significant big b teams would put clubs in the equivelant WOS or EOS leagues without any chance od going further You think the 3 National Leagues in France are the same as the SPFL, Highland and Lowland League? Quite a few recognizable names in there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022–23_Championnat_National_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022–23_Championnat_National_3 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanburn Dave Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 Do the proposals cover what happens if the top 4 LL and top 2 HL teams at the end of the 23/24 season say they don't want to move into this abomination of a league ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanburn Dave Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 ..........obviously I hope that it's a non starter. No to B teams !!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 18 minutes ago, Deanburn Dave said: Do the proposals cover what happens if the top 4 LL and top 2 HL teams at the end of the 23/24 season say they don't want to move into this abomination of a league ? If the SFA push it too far it could be the end of the pyramid imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 For whatever reason, while many L1 clubs appear to have officially received the SFA's shambolic 5 page document, several L2 clubs have not. That's not to say they haven't seen a copy, but it's odd behaviour from the governing body. There should be a prize for guessing why this has happened. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyro Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 3 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said: Not quite true. If we ignore England's reserves as they're so low and doesn't involve full-time teams. France does have B teams up until the 4th tier where they cannot be promoted further. So pretty much what we already have here now under the current rules and a dedicated reserve (under 23's league) for the full time bairns 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 (edited) Could they not just revamp the other competitions? Revert the league cup back to a straight knockout and make the challenge cup a bigger comp with decent group stages? The b teams already get in the challenge cup and nobody would bother. Maybe someextra matches and cash for the smaller clubs here too. Keeps the b teams out the pyramid as there is no fair solution to them being there and gives them a meatier competition against even better sides. Everyones a winner. Edited May 20, 2023 by Sparticus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 (edited) A Challenge Cup group stage featuring ties against Hearts B and a stack of extra LL teams would attract record low attendances among the SPFL clubs whose presence is the only thing propping that tournament up (just about) at the moment. Edited May 20, 2023 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 10 hours ago, welshbairn said: If the SFA push it too far it could be the end of the pyramid imo. Could be talking utter balls here, but do the SFA as a UEFA association need to have some sort of pyramid. I have it in my head somewhere the only reason that a pyramid got life here is because of UEFA. Of course I was maybe in a parallel universe at the time, in fact am I in one now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 11 hours ago, Dundee Hibernian said: For whatever reason, while many L1 clubs appear to have officially received the SFA's shambolic 5 page document, several L2 clubs have not. That's not to say they haven't seen a copy, but it's odd behaviour from the governing body. There should be a prize for guessing why this has happened. Every single member club received the SFA AGM documentation around 10 days ago, the details are in that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Pyramid Watcher said: Every single member club received the SFA AGM documentation around 10 days ago, the details are in that. The Stenhousemuir chairman is claiming they haven't received it. P. S. An interesting reply below.. Edited May 20, 2023 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 12 hours ago, Dundee Hibernian said: For whatever reason, while many L1 clubs appear to have officially received the SFA's shambolic 5 page document, several L2 clubs have not. That's not to say they haven't seen a copy, but it's odd behaviour from the governing body. There should be a prize for guessing why this has happened. Every SFA member club has received the documentation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 4 hours ago, HorseyGhirl said: Could be talking utter balls here, but do the SFA as a UEFA association need to have some sort of pyramid. I have it in my head somewhere the only reason that a pyramid got life here is because of UEFA. Of course I was maybe in a parallel universe at the time, in fact am I in one now. There has to be on paper a way to get promoted from bottom to top. However, a few countries (including The Netherlands unfortunately) set conditions that are so excessive, that it's effectively a closed system unless clubs have sugar daddies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Burnieman said: Every SFA member club has received the documentation. Maybe he put it in the bin. Edited May 20, 2023 by Sergeant Wilson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Marten said: There has to be on paper a way to get promoted from bottom to top. However, a few countries (including The Netherlands unfortunately) set conditions that are so excessive, that it's effectively a closed system unless clubs have sugar daddies. So it's one of those paying 'lip service' moments. Good to know there appears no set rules or guidelines they need to follow. Shouldn't be surprised I suppose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 2 hours ago, welshbairn said: The Stenhousemuir chairman is claiming they haven't received it. P. S. An interesting reply below.. He could be buying time, I would be astonished if they didn’t receive it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Pyramid Watcher said: Every single member club received the SFA AGM documentation around 10 days ago, the details are in that. 38 minutes ago, Pyramid Watcher said: He could be buying time, I would be astonished if they didn’t receive it. Therefore are you adamant or astonished? I've already said, several L2 clubs did not receive the documentation from the SFA last Friday. Wouldn't jump to conclusions on this, it may have been an administrative oversight. What makes you so unshakeable in your view that 'every single member club' was sent the proposals at the same point? Edited May 20, 2023 by Dundee Hibernian 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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