The New Conference League Tier 5

[timeforchange]

It’s a pure and utter shit show that ain’t going to improve unfortunately as you are fed more and more tripe on a weekly basis that nothing has been decided. They are trying to sell it saying there will be no promotion for the b teams let’s wait and see what happens. They say they will be better challenges in the conference league without being disrespectful what does that say about the second and first division then they are worse ? I don’t think so. Next up they will be selling Hampden and lesser Hampden will be Scotlands new base going forward to allow another team play there if results go there way 

[Bestsinceslicebread]

One thing for sure

23/24 season there will only be 3 B teams in the Lowland league, voted in by the Lowland league members but then if the SFA get their way, the conference league is alleged to have 4 x lowland league teams, 2 x highland league teams and 4 x B Teams.   
This should not happen as what a shitty league it will be
So the draftees of the Lowland league where the majority are voting it in are voting themselves out of a league as only 4 will leave the lowland to join the conference lolol

But and I stress but, there is no way they will stop at 4 B teams in the future because I cannot see teams like Motherwell and Airdrie who are known to have very good academies not wanting their B teams to join and then there are many more will have the same view.   

Total crock of shit. The SFA, SPFL and The Lowland league Chairman with his catch up interview, i feel are scaremongering to make you all settle that the conference is coming.

The chairman said that the SFA came to them with 3 options but only one option was on the table as the SPFL clubs wont go for the other two, wtf
 

Edited April 27, 2023 by Bestsinceslicebread

[Rugbyroader]

The Conference is coming. Rangers, Celtic, Hearts and Aberdeen don’t play in the Premiership Reserve League so they’ll be the 4 B Teams involved. Why can’t they just play in the Reserves and have a Development League below that. This is all about getting Rangers and Celtic B Teams into the league which gives them a club to play in Scotland if they decide to play in another league. The SPFL are playing to the OF tune. First there were B teams only for a year. Than more B teams. Now a conference and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Current League 2 teams will see it as an easier way to get back to League 2 if relegated than being relegated to the Lowland League. 

Makes a mockery of the pyramid. Not attractive for a WOSFL team to get promoted to the Lowland League and then the Conference in comparison to continuing to play in the WOSFL. What has the move to the pyramid achieved apart from an improvement in facilities at some clubs? 

Edited April 28, 2023 by Rugbyroader

[PossilYM]

1 hour ago, Rugbyroader said:

The Conference is coming. Rangers, Celtic, Hearts and Aberdeen don’t play in the Premiership Reserve League so they’ll be the 4 B Teams involved. Why can’t they just play in the Reserves and have a Development League below that. This is all about getting Rangers and Celtic B Teams into the league which gives them a club to play in Scotland if they decide to play in another league. The SPFL are playing to the OF tune. First there were B teams only for a year. Than more B teams. Now a conference and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Current League 2 teams will see it as an easier way to get back to League 2 if relegated than being relegated to the Lowland League. 

Makes a mockery of the pyramid. Not attractive for a WOSFL team to get promoted to the Lowland League and then the Conference in comparison to continuing to play in the WOSFL. What has the move to the pyramid achieved apart from an improvement in facilities at some clubs? 

14 clubs from the Wosfl took part in the Big Scottish this season.

The two Glasgow Giants ain't leaving Scotland any time soon.

The B teams are about money and flogging players from the football factories they run.

Other than that i agree with you.

[paul-r-cfc]

Some of the Lowland League clubs have a real nerve getting all indignant about this. They let them in last year on the promise of some quick cash, then slammed the door in the face of the Tier 6 clubs while crying injustice at the bottleneck above their own league. Laughed out loud listening to the Price of Football podcast recently and hearing the Caledonian Braves owner cry about how Scottish football teams are self serving and blocking ambitious clubs which is exactly what his team did last year. 

[Hampden Diehard]

2 hours ago, Rugbyroader said:

Current League 2 teams will see it as an easier way to get back to League 2 if relegated than being relegated to the Lowland League. 

There's absolutely no need for the Conference unless the aim is to allow promotion for the B teams in an easier way for the SFA and /or  SPFL to make this happen. If the League 2 teams honestly think that the Conference will pan out any other way and that it'll be easier for them to get back in League 2 , they're aff their trollies.

[PossilYM]

22 minutes ago, Hampden Diehard said:

There's absolutely no need for the Conference unless the aim is to allow promotion for the B teams in an easier way for the SFA and /or  SPFL to make this happen. If the League 2 teams honestly think that the Conference will pan out any other way and that it'll be easier for them to get back in League 2 , they're aff their trollies.

Give the B teams their due.

They know how to work the system.

They've completely used and abused the LL for petty cash.

Then organized the setting up of another league entirely one step above the LL.

And managed to relegate 200 clubs from next summer.

Btw how that LL chairman managed to do that Official Catch Up Podcast and keep a straight face.

Respect. 

[Kenny*******Powers]

10 hours ago, Rugbyroader said:

The Conference is coming. Rangers, Celtic, Hearts and Aberdeen don’t play in the Premiership Reserve League so they’ll be the 4 B Teams involved. Why can’t they just play in the Reserves and have a Development League below that. This is all about getting Rangers and Celtic B Teams into the league which gives them a club to play in Scotland if they decide to play in another league. The SPFL are playing to the OF tune. First there were B teams only for a year. Than more B teams. Now a conference and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Current League 2 teams will see it as an easier way to get back to League 2 if relegated than being relegated to the Lowland League. 

Makes a mockery of the pyramid. Not attractive for a WOSFL team to get promoted to the Lowland League and then the Conference in comparison to continuing to play in the WOSFL. What has the move to the pyramid achieved apart from an improvement in facilities at some clubs? 

Id be worried too, Killie are so shite there’s every chance they’ll be in this division soon 

[Rugbyroader]

18 hours ago, Hampden Diehard said:

There's absolutely no need for the Conference unless the aim is to allow promotion for the B teams in an easier way for the SFA and /or  SPFL to make this happen. If the League 2 teams honestly think that the Conference will pan out any other way and that it'll be easier for them to get back in League 2 , they're aff their trollies.

Would you be surprised if a change is made in the future to allow B teams to get promoted? The goalposts  change but always to certain clubs advantage. 

[LongTimeLurker]

The more I think about it the more I suspect that the review of licensing requirements by the SFA and the SPFL working on new entry requirements is the implicit threat that's being dangled over the heads of the HL and LL clubs to get this through.

[Bestsinceslicebread]

One of the bigger things is that if the conference is allowed to come in, I still believe Lowland and Highland can stop this, unless there are rules that I'm not aware of, then the Conference will come under the rule of the SPFL members meaning not lowland or Highland league member can vote on the conference decisions and certainly no other team or league lower.  

As a nation whatever we all think individually of the pyramid what it is or what is should look like, we are too small a country to have B teams moving up the leagues, it seems as if some idiot, including Maxwell have a plan to emulate the Spanish pyramid where there are B teams in the second division (Segunda Division).

Wtf, the pyramid was growing but was fecked at intervals due to the SPFL2 and Lowland Leagues and teams not wanting relegation, why cant the SFA just sort it, get the pyramid system working because if they have the power and influence of introducing a new Conference league then they can sure as hell make the SPFL2 and Lowland leagues make the relegation possible.  This will divide football, no doubt all because of a couple of peoples greed.

I have no faith in the SFA

Edited April 30, 2023 by Bestsinceslicebread

[jimbaxters]

@glensmad Thanks for replying on the other thread. There's a lot of animosity towards this proposal, rightly so. Think people want to see those in charge of our league actively fighting against this. Appreciate that you guys put a proposal forward but it shouldn't stop there. There should be as much resistance as possible.

Is there anything clubs or fans can do?

[FairWeatherFan]

2 minutes ago, jimbaxters said:

@glensmad Thanks for replying on the other thread. There's a lot of animosity towards this proposal, rightly so. Think people want to see those in charge of our league actively fighting against this. Appreciate that you guys put a proposal forward but it shouldn't stop there. There should be as much resistance as possible.

Is there anything clubs or fans can do?

The 3 tier 6 leagues got together to write a joint statement over the introduction of the Colts last season. I would have thought that the Conference League proposal would warrant something similar.

[glensmad]

37 minutes ago, jimbaxters said:

@glensmad Thanks for replying on the other thread. There's a lot of animosity towards this proposal, rightly so. Think people want to see those in charge of our league actively fighting against this. Appreciate that you guys put a proposal forward but it shouldn't stop there. There should be as much resistance as possible.

Is there anything clubs or fans can do?

I'm sure that you'll understand that I am only able to confirm things on here that have already been informed to the clubs and which are consequently in the public domain. I cannot and will not reveal anything about confidential discussions which are not already common knowledge at club level.

[jimbaxters]

55 minutes ago, glensmad said:

I'm sure that you'll understand that I am only able to confirm things on here that have already been informed to the clubs and which are consequently in the public domain. I cannot and will not reveal anything about confidential discussions which are not already common knowledge at club level.

Wasn't asking you to do that pal. A confirmation that the league aren't just taking this would suffice. However, can appreciate you want to be careful.

Also asked if there is anything individual clubs or fans can do?

Edited April 30, 2023 by jimbaxters

[PossilYM]

1 hour ago, FairWeatherFan said:

The 3 tier 6 leagues got together to write a joint statement over the introduction of the Colts last season. I would have thought that the Conference League proposal would warrant something similar.

How did that work out?

[Dev]

On 29/04/2023 at 11:56, Rugbyroader said:

Would you be surprised if a change is made in the future to allow B teams to get promoted? The goalposts  change but always to certain clubs advantage. 

Well, if that's the case, every club in the SPFL, apart from the favoured few, should consider what happens as the "B" teams progress up through the SPFL "proper". More clubs will be pushed down the Divisions and out of the League altogether.

Now is the time to spike the guns of the favoured few clubs. Once they're into a new Conference League it's likely that it will be too late to stop them moving even further up the the Tiers of the Scottish Leagues football. 

If they have enough influence in the SFA to get a Conference up and running then that same influence will allow them to do anything that serves their own purposes. Needs change also in the SFA. Start NOW with all licenced clubs currently in membership being given full voting rights in the SFA. 

[Dev]

On 29/04/2023 at 12:28, LongTimeLurker said:

The more I think about it the more I suspect that the review of licensing requirements by the SFA and the SPFL working on new entry requirements is the implicit threat that's being dangled over the heads of the HL and LL clubs to get this through.

Spot on! Now is the time to ensure that all current licenced clubs are entitled to full voting rights in the SFA. No changes to licence criteria unless this is done first.

[Dev]

1 hour ago, PossilYM said:

How did that work out?

Good point.

It's time to get al of the rest of the SPFL club on-board too. When the B teams are in a Conference they will be in a better position to demand a place in the SPFL2 and so on.

It doesn't take much imagination to see them in the Championship, over time, and so relegating current SPFL clubs down the Divisions and even more clubs out of the SPFL altogether - especially as there would gradually be new clubs moving up the pyramid too (albeit at snails pace).

[glensmad]

2 hours ago, jimbaxters said:

Also asked if there is anything individual clubs or fans can do?

What Individual clubs do is up to them as long as it's within the rules.