All time Championship record?

[Stellaboz]

Is there anywhere that shows the all time records at this level? Would be interesting to see who the ultimate championship team is. 

[jagsfan57]

How would you be measuring that ? On a ppg basis it would probably be somebody like Hearts who were in the league once or twice but got promoted straight away. 

[Mark Connolly]

13 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said:

How would you be measuring that ? On a ppg basis it would probably be somebody like Hearts who were in the league once or twice but got promoted straight away. 

We all know how much Hearts and Thistle fans love ppg...

[invergowrie arab]

Dont need stats it's Dundee.

[mrpaddyx]

I found this, it's only from 2004/05 onwards though.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/scottish-championship/ewigeTabelle/wettbewerb/SC2

[MazzyStar]

 

Read it and weep, losers. 

[Richey Edwards]

2 minutes ago, MazzyStar said:

 

Read it and weep, losers. 

 

[jagsfan57]

2 hours ago, Mark Connolly said:

We all know how much Hearts and Thistle fans love ppg...

That’s funny.

[jagsfan57]

1 hour ago, MazzyStar said:

 

Read it and weep, losers. 

But look at the goal difference!

[Jamie_M]

2 hours ago, MazzyStar said:

 

Read it and weep, losers. 

FFS, QOS will be commemorating that on the collar of a new kit before you know it.

[craigkillie]

This is the all-time second tier table (up to the end of last season) based on my data - obviously there could be the odd mistake here and there but I think it's pretty accurate.

It's sorted by actual points won, but interestingly Dumbarton move up to the top if it's instead adjusted to make it 3 (or 2) points for a win, since more of Accies' points were won in 3 for a win era. The actual points includes point deductions, but the other columns don't.

Hibs are top when you instead sort by points per game, followed by Rangers and Hearts.

 

	team	P	W	D	L	Pts (actual)	Pts (2)	Pts (3)	PPG (2)	PPG (3)
1	Hamilton Academical	2214	897	506	811	2467	2300	3197	1.04	1.44
2	Raith Rovers	2147	860	494	793	2438	2214	3074	1.03	1.43
3	Greenock Morton	2070	852	470	748	2415	2174	3026	1.05	1.46
4	Dumbarton	2451	932	481	1038	2404	2345	3277	0.96	1.34
5	Ayr United	1963	787	479	697	2229	2053	2840	1.05	1.45
6	Dunfermline Athletic	1732	770	401	561	2123	1941	2711	1.12	1.57
7	Queen of the South	1812	700	420	692	2041	1820	2520	1.00	1.39
8	Falkirk	1384	653	330	401	1932	1636	2289	1.18	1.65
9	St Johnstone	1518	681	349	488	1884	1711	2392	1.13	1.58
10	Alloa Athletic	2072	681	438	953	1857	1800	2481	0.87	1.20
11	Arbroath	1705	687	350	668	1781	1724	2411	1.01	1.41
12	Albion Rovers	1713	661	329	723	1649	1651	2312	0.96	1.35
13	Airdrieonians [1878]	1339	610	325	404	1646	1545	2155	1.15	1.61
14	Cowdenbeath	1654	629	333	692	1622	1591	2220	0.96	1.34
15	East Fife	1489	642	302	545	1583	1586	2228	1.07	1.50
16	Stenhousemuir	1647	614	308	725	1531	1536	2150	0.93	1.31
17	Forfar Athletic	1850	569	394	887	1530	1532	2101	0.83	1.14
18	East Stirlingshire	1716	585	352	779	1518	1522	2107	0.89	1.23
19	Clyde	1229	490	324	415	1430	1304	1794	1.06	1.46
20	Partick Thistle	1110	457	286	367	1397	1200	1657	1.08	1.49
21	Dundee United	1204	495	245	464	1319	1235	1730	1.03	1.44
22	Dundee	825	415	216	194	1253	1046	1461	1.27	1.77
23	St Mirren	873	398	210	265	1202	1006	1404	1.15	1.61
24	Montrose	1350	463	264	623	1187	1190	1653	0.88	1.22
25	Clydebank [1965]	1113	404	290	419	1135	1098	1502	0.99	1.35
26	Stirling Albion	1022	424	227	371	1103	1075	1499	1.05	1.47
27	St Bernard's	992	432	173	387	1031	1037	1469	1.05	1.48
28	Brechin City	1462	366	283	813	1021	1015	1381	0.69	0.94
29	Kilmarnock	868	402	191	275	1015	995	1397	1.15	1.61
30	Queen's Park	1018	393	212	413	1009	998	1391	0.98	1.37
31	Leith Athletic [1887]	808	349	152	307	848	850	1199	1.05	1.48
32	Stranraer	832	279	170	383	742	728	1007	0.88	1.21
33	Berwick Rangers	802	270	172	360	712	712	982	0.89	1.22
34	Inverness CT	414	185	112	117	667	482	667	1.16	1.61
35	Ross County	432	162	127	143	613	451	613	1.04	1.42
36	King's Park	658	243	132	283	612	618	861	0.94	1.31
37	Livingston	396	149	95	152	537	393	542	0.99	1.37
38	Third Lanark	430	218	85	127	521	521	739	1.21	1.72
39	Hibernian	291	183	59	49	514	425	608	1.46	2.09
40	Motherwell	410	212	73	125	497	497	709	1.21	1.73
41	Arthurlie [1882]	500	176	91	233	443	443	619	0.89	1.24
42	Abercorn	442	162	83	197	407	407	569	0.92	1.29
43	Bo'ness	377	151	76	150	378	378	529	1.00	1.40
44	Heart of Midlothian	219	133	51	35	363	317	450	1.45	2.05
45	Armadale [1910]	416	144	69	203	357	357	501	0.86	1.20
46	Meadowbank Thistle	365	106	99	160	311	311	417	0.85	1.14
47	Vale of Leven	342	110	71	161	291	291	401	0.85	1.17
48	Clydebank [1914]	290	116	51	123	281	283	399	0.98	1.38
49	Ayr FC	270	115	42	113	272	272	387	1.01	1.43
50	Bathgate	266	90	66	110	246	246	336	0.92	1.26
51	Airdrieonians [2002]	216	59	55	102	232	173	232	0.80	1.07
52	Port Glasgow Athletic	188	93	24	71	203	210	303	1.12	1.61
53	Johnstone	226	79	42	105	198	200	279	0.88	1.23
54	Broxburn United	190	61	46	83	168	168	229	0.88	1.21
55	Rangers	72	44	16	12	148	104	148	1.44	2.06
56	Edinburgh City [1928]	280	40	39	201	116	119	159	0.43	0.57
57	Lochgelly United	140	40	21	79	101	101	141	0.72	1.01
58	Ayr Parkhouse	110	31	14	65	76	76	107	0.69	0.97
59	Gretna	36	19	9	8	66	47	66	1.31	1.83
60	Linthouse	90	26	13	51	61	65	91	0.72	1.01
61	Nithsdale Wanderers	76	22	16	38	60	60	82	0.79	1.08
62	Renton	57	25	5	27	55	55	80	0.96	1.40
63	Cowlairs	36	15	4	17	34	34	49	0.94	1.36
64	Cove Rangers	36	7	10	19	31	24	31	0.67	0.86
65	Clackmannan	38	9	8	21	26	26	35	0.68	0.92
66	Aberdeen	22	7	7	8	21	21	28	0.95	1.27
67	Dundee Wanderers	17	3	1	13	9	7	10	0.41	0.59
68	Northern	18	3	3	12	9	9	12	0.50	0.67
69	Thistle	18	2	3	13	7	7	9	0.39	0.50

Edited September 9, 2023 by craigkillie

[hk blues]

Can't be right - The self-proclaimed best team in Dundee have played 50% more games in the 2nd tier than their bigger (and clearly better) neighbour. 

[++Ammo - Airdrie++]

I'm sure we could creep up that table a bit if you added our 3 entries 

[Guest DannyBlue]

11 hours ago, craigkillie said:

Hibs are top when you instead sort by points per game

Yesss! That's the real quiz!

[cb_diamond]

On 08/09/2023 at 23:07, craigkillie said:

This is the all-time second tier table (up to the end of last season) based on my data - obviously there could be the odd mistake here and there but I think it's pretty accurate.

It's sorted by actual points won, but interestingly Dumbarton move up to the top if it's instead adjusted to make it 3 (or 2) points for a win, since more of Accies' points were won in 3 for a win era. The actual points includes point deductions, but the other columns don't.

Hibs are top when you instead sort by points per game, followed by Rangers and Hearts.

 

	team	P	W	D	L	Pts (actual)	Pts (2)	Pts (3)	PPG (2)	PPG (3)
1	Hamilton Academical	2214	897	506	811	2467	2300	3197	1.04	1.44
2	Raith Rovers	2147	860	494	793	2438	2214	3074	1.03	1.43
3	Greenock Morton	2070	852	470	748	2415	2174	3026	1.05	1.46
4	Dumbarton	2451	932	481	1038	2404	2345	3277	0.96	1.34
5	Ayr United	1963	787	479	697	2229	2053	2840	1.05	1.45
6	Dunfermline Athletic	1732	770	401	561	2123	1941	2711	1.12	1.57
7	Queen of the South	1812	700	420	692	2041	1820	2520	1.00	1.39
8	Falkirk	1384	653	330	401	1932	1636	2289	1.18	1.65
9	St Johnstone	1518	681	349	488	1884	1711	2392	1.13	1.58
10	Alloa Athletic	2072	681	438	953	1857	1800	2481	0.87	1.20
11	Arbroath	1705	687	350	668	1781	1724	2411	1.01	1.41
12	Albion Rovers	1713	661	329	723	1649	1651	2312	0.96	1.35
13	Airdrieonians [1878]	1339	610	325	404	1646	1545	2155	1.15	1.61
14	Cowdenbeath	1654	629	333	692	1622	1591	2220	0.96	1.34
15	East Fife	1489	642	302	545	1583	1586	2228	1.07	1.50
16	Stenhousemuir	1647	614	308	725	1531	1536	2150	0.93	1.31
17	Forfar Athletic	1850	569	394	887	1530	1532	2101	0.83	1.14
18	East Stirlingshire	1716	585	352	779	1518	1522	2107	0.89	1.23
19	Clyde	1229	490	324	415	1430	1304	1794	1.06	1.46
20	Partick Thistle	1110	457	286	367	1397	1200	1657	1.08	1.49
21	Dundee United	1204	495	245	464	1319	1235	1730	1.03	1.44
22	Dundee	825	415	216	194	1253	1046	1461	1.27	1.77
23	St Mirren	873	398	210	265	1202	1006	1404	1.15	1.61
24	Montrose	1350	463	264	623	1187	1190	1653	0.88	1.22
25	Clydebank [1965]	1113	404	290	419	1135	1098	1502	0.99	1.35
26	Stirling Albion	1022	424	227	371	1103	1075	1499	1.05	1.47
27	St Bernard's	992	432	173	387	1031	1037	1469	1.05	1.48
28	Brechin City	1462	366	283	813	1021	1015	1381	0.69	0.94
29	Kilmarnock	868	402	191	275	1015	995	1397	1.15	1.61
30	Queen's Park	1018	393	212	413	1009	998	1391	0.98	1.37
31	Leith Athletic [1887]	808	349	152	307	848	850	1199	1.05	1.48
32	Stranraer	832	279	170	383	742	728	1007	0.88	1.21
33	Berwick Rangers	802	270	172	360	712	712	982	0.89	1.22
34	Inverness CT	414	185	112	117	667	482	667	1.16	1.61
35	Ross County	432	162	127	143	613	451	613	1.04	1.42
36	King's Park	658	243	132	283	612	618	861	0.94	1.31
37	Livingston	396	149	95	152	537	393	542	0.99	1.37
38	Third Lanark	430	218	85	127	521	521	739	1.21	1.72
39	Hibernian	291	183	59	49	514	425	608	1.46	2.09
40	Motherwell	410	212	73	125	497	497	709	1.21	1.73
41	Arthurlie [1882]	500	176	91	233	443	443	619	0.89	1.24
42	Abercorn	442	162	83	197	407	407	569	0.92	1.29
43	Bo'ness	377	151	76	150	378	378	529	1.00	1.40
44	Heart of Midlothian	219	133	51	35	363	317	450	1.45	2.05
45	Armadale [1910]	416	144	69	203	357	357	501	0.86	1.20
46	Meadowbank Thistle	365	106	99	160	311	311	417	0.85	1.14
47	Vale of Leven	342	110	71	161	291	291	401	0.85	1.17
48	Clydebank [1914]	290	116	51	123	281	283	399	0.98	1.38
49	Ayr FC	270	115	42	113	272	272	387	1.01	1.43
50	Bathgate	266	90	66	110	246	246	336	0.92	1.26
51	Airdrieonians [2002]	216	59	55	102	232	173	232	0.80	1.07
52	Port Glasgow Athletic	188	93	24	71	203	210	303	1.12	1.61
53	Johnstone	226	79	42	105	198	200	279	0.88	1.23
54	Broxburn United	190	61	46	83	168	168	229	0.88	1.21
55	Rangers	72	44	16	12	148	104	148	1.44	2.06
56	Edinburgh City [1928]	280	40	39	201	116	119	159	0.43	0.57
57	Lochgelly United	140	40	21	79	101	101	141	0.72	1.01
58	Ayr Parkhouse	110	31	14	65	76	76	107	0.69	0.97
59	Gretna	36	19	9	8	66	47	66	1.31	1.83
60	Linthouse	90	26	13	51	61	65	91	0.72	1.01
61	Nithsdale Wanderers	76	22	16	38	60	60	82	0.79	1.08
62	Renton	57	25	5	27	55	55	80	0.96	1.40
63	Cowlairs	36	15	4	17	34	34	49	0.94	1.36
64	Cove Rangers	36	7	10	19	31	24	31	0.67	0.86
65	Clackmannan	38	9	8	21	26	26	35	0.68	0.92
66	Aberdeen	22	7	7	8	21	21	28	0.95	1.27
67	Dundee Wanderers	17	3	1	13	9	7	10	0.41	0.59
68	Northern	18	3	3	12	9	9	12	0.50	0.67
69	Thistle	18	2	3	13	7	7	9	0.39	0.50

But that can't be right, with your facts and stats because the angry Queens man said so...

[itzdrk]

On 08/09/2023 at 17:43, mrpaddyx said:

I found this, it's only from 2004/05 onwards though.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/scottish-championship/ewigeTabelle/wettbewerb/SC2

Brechin City 

2 wins in 72 games.  Both against Ayr.

[Dunning1874]

1 hour ago, itzdrk said:

Brechin City 

2 wins in 72 games.  Both against Ayr.

Both those wins were in the 2005/06 season when Ayr were in the Second Division; they beat Clyde and Dundee.

[itzdrk]

10 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said:

Both those wins were in the 2005/06 season when Ayr were in the Second Division; they beat Clyde and Dundee.

Aw so they will be! It was 2003/04 they beat us twice. 

[Hawk89]

On 08/09/2023 at 22:07, craigkillie said:

 

	team	P	W	D	L	Pts (actual)	Pts (2)	Pts (3)	PPG (2)	PPG (3)
1	Hamilton Academical	2214	897	506	811	2467	2300	3197	1.04	1.44
2	Raith Rovers	2147	860	494	793	2438	2214	3074	1.03	1.43
3	Greenock Morton	2070	852	470	748	2415	2174	3026	1.05	1.46
4	Dumbarton	2451	932	481	1038	2404	2345	3277	0.96	1.34
5	Ayr United	1963	787	479	697	2229	2053	2840	1.05	1.45
49	Ayr FC	270	115	42	113	272	272	387	1.01	1.43
58	Ayr Parkhouse	110	31	14	65	76	76	107	0.69	0.97

As we are in desperate need for any form of win right now, can we just include Parkhouse and FC as part of our stats given they merged to become Ayr United? 

[ClydeTon]

On 08/09/2023 at 22:07, craigkillie said:

This is the all-time second tier table (up to the end of last season) based on my data - obviously there could be the odd mistake here and there but I think it's pretty accurate.

It's sorted by actual points won, but interestingly Dumbarton move up to the top if it's instead adjusted to make it 3 (or 2) points for a win, since more of Accies' points were won in 3 for a win era. The actual points includes point deductions, but the other columns don't.

Hibs are top when you instead sort by points per game, followed by Rangers and Hearts.

 

	team	P	W	D	L	Pts (actual)	Pts (2)	Pts (3)	PPG (2)	PPG (3)
1	Hamilton Academical	2214	897	506	811	2467	2300	3197	1.04	1.44
2	Raith Rovers	2147	860	494	793	2438	2214	3074	1.03	1.43
3	Greenock Morton	2070	852	470	748	2415	2174	3026	1.05	1.46
4	Dumbarton	2451	932	481	1038	2404	2345	3277	0.96	1.34
5	Ayr United	1963	787	479	697	2229	2053	2840	1.05	1.45
6	Dunfermline Athletic	1732	770	401	561	2123	1941	2711	1.12	1.57
7	Queen of the South	1812	700	420	692	2041	1820	2520	1.00	1.39
8	Falkirk	1384	653	330	401	1932	1636	2289	1.18	1.65
9	St Johnstone	1518	681	349	488	1884	1711	2392	1.13	1.58
10	Alloa Athletic	2072	681	438	953	1857	1800	2481	0.87	1.20
11	Arbroath	1705	687	350	668	1781	1724	2411	1.01	1.41
12	Albion Rovers	1713	661	329	723	1649	1651	2312	0.96	1.35
13	Airdrieonians [1878]	1339	610	325	404	1646	1545	2155	1.15	1.61
14	Cowdenbeath	1654	629	333	692	1622	1591	2220	0.96	1.34
15	East Fife	1489	642	302	545	1583	1586	2228	1.07	1.50
16	Stenhousemuir	1647	614	308	725	1531	1536	2150	0.93	1.31
17	Forfar Athletic	1850	569	394	887	1530	1532	2101	0.83	1.14
18	East Stirlingshire	1716	585	352	779	1518	1522	2107	0.89	1.23
19	Clyde	1229	490	324	415	1430	1304	1794	1.06	1.46
20	Partick Thistle	1110	457	286	367	1397	1200	1657	1.08	1.49
21	Dundee United	1204	495	245	464	1319	1235	1730	1.03	1.44
22	Dundee	825	415	216	194	1253	1046	1461	1.27	1.77
23	St Mirren	873	398	210	265	1202	1006	1404	1.15	1.61
24	Montrose	1350	463	264	623	1187	1190	1653	0.88	1.22
25	Clydebank [1965]	1113	404	290	419	1135	1098	1502	0.99	1.35
26	Stirling Albion	1022	424	227	371	1103	1075	1499	1.05	1.47
27	St Bernard's	992	432	173	387	1031	1037	1469	1.05	1.48
28	Brechin City	1462	366	283	813	1021	1015	1381	0.69	0.94
29	Kilmarnock	868	402	191	275	1015	995	1397	1.15	1.61
30	Queen's Park	1018	393	212	413	1009	998	1391	0.98	1.37
31	Leith Athletic [1887]	808	349	152	307	848	850	1199	1.05	1.48
32	Stranraer	832	279	170	383	742	728	1007	0.88	1.21
33	Berwick Rangers	802	270	172	360	712	712	982	0.89	1.22
34	Inverness CT	414	185	112	117	667	482	667	1.16	1.61
35	Ross County	432	162	127	143	613	451	613	1.04	1.42
36	King's Park	658	243	132	283	612	618	861	0.94	1.31
37	Livingston	396	149	95	152	537	393	542	0.99	1.37
38	Third Lanark	430	218	85	127	521	521	739	1.21	1.72
39	Hibernian	291	183	59	49	514	425	608	1.46	2.09
40	Motherwell	410	212	73	125	497	497	709	1.21	1.73
41	Arthurlie [1882]	500	176	91	233	443	443	619	0.89	1.24
42	Abercorn	442	162	83	197	407	407	569	0.92	1.29
43	Bo'ness	377	151	76	150	378	378	529	1.00	1.40
44	Heart of Midlothian	219	133	51	35	363	317	450	1.45	2.05
45	Armadale [1910]	416	144	69	203	357	357	501	0.86	1.20
46	Meadowbank Thistle	365	106	99	160	311	311	417	0.85	1.14
47	Vale of Leven	342	110	71	161	291	291	401	0.85	1.17
48	Clydebank [1914]	290	116	51	123	281	283	399	0.98	1.38
49	Ayr FC	270	115	42	113	272	272	387	1.01	1.43
50	Bathgate	266	90	66	110	246	246	336	0.92	1.26
51	Airdrieonians [2002]	216	59	55	102	232	173	232	0.80	1.07
52	Port Glasgow Athletic	188	93	24	71	203	210	303	1.12	1.61
53	Johnstone	226	79	42	105	198	200	279	0.88	1.23
54	Broxburn United	190	61	46	83	168	168	229	0.88	1.21
55	Rangers	72	44	16	12	148	104	148	1.44	2.06
56	Edinburgh City [1928]	280	40	39	201	116	119	159	0.43	0.57
57	Lochgelly United	140	40	21	79	101	101	141	0.72	1.01
58	Ayr Parkhouse	110	31	14	65	76	76	107	0.69	0.97
59	Gretna	36	19	9	8	66	47	66	1.31	1.83
60	Linthouse	90	26	13	51	61	65	91	0.72	1.01
61	Nithsdale Wanderers	76	22	16	38	60	60	82	0.79	1.08
62	Renton	57	25	5	27	55	55	80	0.96	1.40
63	Cowlairs	36	15	4	17	34	34	49	0.94	1.36
64	Cove Rangers	36	7	10	19	31	24	31	0.67	0.86
65	Clackmannan	38	9	8	21	26	26	35	0.68	0.92
66	Aberdeen	22	7	7	8	21	21	28	0.95	1.27
67	Dundee Wanderers	17	3	1	13	9	7	10	0.41	0.59
68	Northern	18	3	3	12	9	9	12	0.50	0.67
69	Thistle	18	2	3	13	7	7	9	0.39	0.50

So that's what they mean by '55'...