Gordon EF Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 19 minutes ago, SlayerX said: I recall being mocked here, from pillar to post, when I suggested that Scotland play with three at the back. It was when Levein was in charge. The argument were "our players don't play with three at club level", "four at the back is the best system", etc. Even though Scotland hadn't qualified for a tournament for 22 years with a back four. Typical herd mentality stuff. All torches and pitchforks and no braincells. Five managers come and go, all trying the same thing and expecting different result. Steve Clarke comes in. When he realises that Scotland can't play with a back four, he changes to a three and sticks to it. Cut to four years later and Scotland have played in two European championship and got within a whisker of a World Cup. I don't see those detractors around here anymore. Or if they are, they are rather quiet. They sure as hell aren't coaching professionally. You'll excuse me if I take no notice of derision. I feel completely vindicated. This is unhinged. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chripper Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Just now, Gordon EF said: This is unhinged. Exactly. "Ridicule is the tribute paid to the genius by the mediocrities." ~ Oscar Wilde -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 2 minutes ago, SlayerX said: Exactly. "Ridicule is the tribute paid to the genius by the mediocrities." ~ Oscar Wilde Oscar Wilde never even coached professionally. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 49 minutes ago, SlayerX said: I recall being mocked here, from pillar to post, when I suggested that Scotland play with three at the back. It was when Levein was in charge. The argument were "our players don't play with three at club level", "four at the back is the best system", etc. Even though Scotland hadn't qualified for a tournament for 22 years with a back four. Typical herd mentality stuff. All torches and pitchforks and no braincells. Five managers come and go, all trying the same thing and expecting different result. Steve Clarke comes in. When he realises that Scotland can't play with a back four, he changes to a three and sticks to it. Cut to four years later and Scotland have played in two European championship and got within a whisker of a World Cup. I don't see those detractors around here anymore. Or if they are, they are rather quiet. They sure as hell aren't coaching professionally. You'll excuse me if I take no notice of derision. I feel completely vindicated. Aye you’re a genius. Let’s just ignore that the players under Levein were completely different to the ones playing in a back 3 just now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 (edited) 57 minutes ago, SlayerX said: I recall being mocked here, from pillar to post, when I suggested that Scotland play with three at the back. It was when Levein was in charge. The argument were "our players don't play with three at club level", "four at the back is the best system", etc. Even though Scotland hadn't qualified for a tournament for 22 years with a back four. Typical herd mentality stuff. All torches and pitchforks and no braincells. Five managers come and go, all trying the same thing and expecting different result. Steve Clarke comes in. When he realises that Scotland can't play with a back four, he changes to a three and sticks to it. Cut to four years later and Scotland have played in two European championship and got within a whisker of a World Cup. I don't see those detractors around here anymore. Or if they are, they are rather quiet. They sure as hell aren't coaching professionally. You'll excuse me if I take no notice of derision. I feel completely vindicated. Well done. You stuck to your guns, took the hits, bided your time and are the last man standing 10 years later. That must feel that bit sweeter. You were proved right in the end, so here's to you Slayer. Top marks. Now you're back, welcomed back into the fold to reclaim your rightful place dispensing the contents of your brain and the nuggets of wisdom hidden within. Thank you. Edited May 24 by 2426255 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 I’m sure Strachan played a back 1 against Gibraltar one time. Those were the days. None of this back 3 pish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Scotch Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 2 hours ago, SlayerX said: I recall being mocked here, from pillar to post, when I suggested that Scotland play with three at the back. It was when Levein was in charge. The argument were "our players don't play with three at club level", "four at the back is the best system", etc. Even though Scotland hadn't qualified for a tournament for 22 years with a back four. Typical herd mentality stuff. All torches and pitchforks and no braincells. Five managers come and go, all trying the same thing and expecting different result. Steve Clarke comes in. When he realises that Scotland can't play with a back four, he changes to a three and sticks to it. Cut to four years later and Scotland have played in two European championship and got within a whisker of a World Cup. I don't see those detractors around here anymore. Or if they are, they are rather quiet. They sure as hell aren't coaching professionally. You'll excuse me if I take no notice of derision. I feel completely vindicated. Mind blowing analysis, you're a genius bro. How did you come up with playing 3 at the back? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabFC Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 21 hours ago, SlayerX said: I recall being mocked here, from pillar to post, when I suggested that Scotland play with three at the back. It was when Levein was in charge. The argument were "our players don't play with three at club level", "four at the back is the best system", etc. Even though Scotland hadn't qualified for a tournament for 22 years with a back four. Typical herd mentality stuff. All torches and pitchforks and no braincells. Five managers come and go, all trying the same thing and expecting different result. Steve Clarke comes in. When he realises that Scotland can't play with a back four, he changes to a three and sticks to it. Cut to four years later and Scotland have played in two European championship and got within a whisker of a World Cup. I don't see those detractors around here anymore. Or if they are, they are rather quiet. They sure as hell aren't coaching professionally. You'll excuse me if I take no notice of derision. I feel completely vindicated. You think you’re some sort of fitba savant for suggesting a team could *checks notes* play three at the back? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chripper Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 For all the people taking the piss because I'm suggesting not to play with a traditional striker. Manchester United are currently beating Manchester City 2-0 without a traditional striker. Some people should think instead of instantly pouring cold water. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS_FFC Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 2 minutes ago, SlayerX said: For all the people taking the piss because I'm suggesting not to play with a traditional striker. Manchester United are currently beating Manchester City 2-0 without a traditional striker. Some people should think instead of instantly pouring cold water. Playing a false nine is a very feasible way of playing football in this day and age. Too many people scream “CRAIG LEVEIN!!!” without realising his 4-6-0 shitfest was completely different to a false nine dropping deep to join the build up. McTominay as false nine would be a valid move imo, particularly if none of the strikers are looking sharp and both Gilmour and Christie are (Usually it’s either Gilmour or Christie that start for us along with McGregor, McGinn, McTominay and one centre forward). I still lean towards Dykes or Adams playing but wouldn’t shock me if it’s tried out at some point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Scotch Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 7 hours ago, SlayerX said: For all the people taking the piss because I'm suggesting not to play with a traditional striker. Manchester United are currently beating Manchester City 2-0 without a traditional striker. Some people should think instead of instantly pouring cold water. I dont think anyone is saying we can't play without a traditional striker, it may work, it may not, who the f**k knows. It's more to do with the lack of credibility you have on here due to your posts just being idiotic. No offence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Scotia Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 A back 3 and no striker *quick maths* 3-7-0 formation. Erm... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSJ.84 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 10 hours ago, Butters Scotch said: I dont think anyone is saying we can't play without a traditional striker, it may work, it may not, who the f**k knows. It's more to do with the lack of credibility you have on here due to your posts just being idiotic. No offence. Nobody is really taking the piss out of the false nine shout. The poster suggesting they’re revolutionary and invented the back three however… 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 McTominay playing at centre-forward would not be a false nine, he would be a midfielder playing as a traditional nine. A false nine is when you pick a ball playing attacking midfielder as a nominal centre-forward but then they play most of the game in a deeper area and create space for wide attackers or runners from the middle. If we put Stuart Armstrong or Ryan Christie there then they might be a false nine, but even that would be pushing it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Scotch Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 30 minutes ago, craigkillie said: McTominay playing at centre-forward would not be a false nine, he would be a midfielder playing as a traditional nine. A false nine is when you pick a ball playing attacking midfielder as a nominal centre-forward but then they play most of the game in a deeper area and create space for wide attackers or runners from the middle. If we put Stuart Armstrong or Ryan Christie there then they might be a false nine, but even that would be pushing it. Yep like a Fabregas or Messi type 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS_FFC Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 4 hours ago, craigkillie said: McTominay playing at centre-forward would not be a false nine, he would be a midfielder playing as a traditional nine. A false nine is when you pick a ball playing attacking midfielder as a nominal centre-forward but then they play most of the game in a deeper area and create space for wide attackers or runners from the middle. If we put Stuart Armstrong or Ryan Christie there then they might be a false nine, but even that would be pushing it. When you put it like that, Che Adams is basically a false nine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chripper Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/28135273/man-utd-ten-hag-tactics-mctominay-position-city/ No idea why it was a "shock", as United have used the 4-2-2-2 system against Newcastle and Brighton in in the EPL (and won both).* A 3-4-1-2 with the front 2 being false 9s and dropping deep to help the midfield in an off-the-ball transition is a feasible option, especially against Germany. It's the only way that I can see Scotland getting anything. Playing against Musiala and Kroos we're going to have to flood the midfield like United did against Rodri and De Bruye. Craig Brown did something similar at France 98, with a back three and Durie and Gallagher dropping back. Almost got us a point against Brazil. *In fairness, it is the Sun. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chripper Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 On 25/05/2024 at 15:49, JS_FFC said: Playing a false nine is a very feasible way of playing football in this day and age. Too many people scream “CRAIG LEVEIN!!!” without realising his 4-6-0 shitfest was completely different to a false nine dropping deep to join the build up. McTominay as false nine would be a valid move imo, particularly if none of the strikers are looking sharp and both Gilmour and Christie are (Usually it’s either Gilmour or Christie that start for us along with McGregor, McGinn, McTominay and one centre forward). I still lean towards Dykes or Adams playing but wouldn’t shock me if it’s tried out at some point. Totally agree. Great post! There's a reason why possession based and progressive football is taking over. There are still fans who are all "4-4-2 with long balls and get as many crosses in as possible!" These fans want to burn at the stake anyone who comes out with a progressive idea. A lot of Scotland fans were dead against a back three. Most in fact. Thank God that Mr Clarke went back to Craig Brown's 90s blueprints, if he didn't then Euro 2020 wouldn't have happened and neither would Euro 2024. A lot of people here just want to make silly derisory comments with the intention of looking funny and/or hard than actually think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Scotch Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 28 minutes ago, SlayerX said: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/28135273/man-utd-ten-hag-tactics-mctominay-position-city/ No idea why it was a "shock", as United have used the 4-2-2-2 system against Newcastle and Brighton in in the EPL (and won both).* A 3-4-1-2 with the front 2 being false 9s and dropping deep to help the midfield in an off-the-ball transition is a feasible option, especially against Germany. It's the only way that I can see Scotland getting anything. Playing against Musiala and Kroos we're going to have to flood the midfield like United did against Rodri and De Bruye. Craig Brown did something similar at France 98, with a back three and Durie and Gallagher dropping back. Almost got us a point against Brazil. *In fairness, it is the Sun. Man united were playing a four at the back, we will most certainly being going 5 at the back so what are you actually propsing here? McTominay to replace adams or Dykes I take it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Gonna be great for @SlayerX when we lose against Germany. You’ll get to proclaim it’s all because we didn’t go for the revolutionary tactical tweak that only you could possibly have thought of. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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