Charles Stiles Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 13 hours ago, HibsFan said: For the defeatists out there, if Sweden can do it - why can't we? Much as I want rid of it the difference is they're not installing it at all. We have a bunch of clowns that have forked out big (by our standards) money to put it in and their egos won't allow to them to take a financial hit as well as admit they were wrong. Prevention is always better than cure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Which aspects do you think are fixed costs which wouldn't be reversible savings? A massive chunk of the money is mostly paying for the extra officials, the cameras (which you'd surely happily keep anyway), the rental of office space in a business park on the outskirts of Glasgow. The only sunk cost is surely the video screens and the branding. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingswellsRed Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 37 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Which aspects do you think are fixed costs which wouldn't be reversible savings? A massive chunk of the money is mostly paying for the extra officials, the cameras (which you'd surely happily keep anyway), the rental of office space in a business park on the outskirts of Glasgow. The only sunk cost is surely the video screens and the branding. Would they have a contract for the offside “technology?” Either way it needs binned. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 11 minutes ago, KingswellsRed said: Would they have a contract for the offside “technology?” Either way it needs binned. Possibly, though you'd assume it will be for a fixed term. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingswellsRed Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Still nobody had any useful reply from their club? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Reese Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 I do not want to get rid of VAR. I would rather not go back to our fate being decided by cowardly officials giving incorrect decisions against us with impunity. The mere fact that Celtic and Rangers would love to bin it should tell you everything you need to know. Keep it but make it better and improve the standard of our shite officials. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 3 hours ago, Kyle Reese said: I do not want to get rid of VAR. I would rather not go back to our fate being decided by cowardly officials giving incorrect decisions against us with impunity. The mere fact that Celtic and Rangers would love to bin it should tell you everything you need to know. Keep it but make it better and improve the standard of our shite officials. They genuinely think they're hard done by with decisions against them anyway, so no, that doesn't tell you anything. 20 decisions could go their way and when one goes against them, they think the officials are biased towards the diddy teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Reese Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, LIVIFOREVER said: They genuinely think they're hard done by with decisions against them anyway, so no, that doesn't tell you anything. 20 decisions could go their way and when one goes against them, they think the officials are biased towards the diddy teams. They have had incidents overturned or turned in the other teams favour due to VAR that they would never have normally suffered. They hate it because it stops them getting as many things in their favour. Brendan Rodgers in particular hates that his team do not get as many favours as they used to. I much prefer what happens now compared to: Four players sent off at Ibrox mostly for f**k all Andy Webster told he must have elbowed himself in the eye, not John Hartson Dougie MacDonald sending off Webster and McCann at Rugby Park and Hartley in the 2006 cup final Andy Davis awarding Kyriakos a penalty for diving Barry Ferguson playing basketball Ian Brines sending off Fyssas for a dive by Maloney in a New Year’s Day game vs Celtic Allan McGregor kung-fu kicking Callum Elliot in the stomach Kenny Miller effectively ending Kevin McHattie’s career at a decent level with a knee high challenge at the touchline No thanks, I prefer when incompetence and bias are exposed and the officials made to look incompetent for their cowardice. I particularly enjoyed the nationwide ridicule when Dermot Gallagher reviewed the incident where the Motherwell player kicked Boyce in the chest and he booked him for diving. The two studio guests and him on SKY pissing themselves laughing at the referee. The more exposure these p***ks get the better Edited May 3 by Kyle Reese 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Reese Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 That’s just some of the big incidents off the top of my head too. All the offside goals or undeserved penalties over the years. Nope much prefer this way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Brilliant Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 What is wrong with just using it for line decisions (in/out, over/not over) and giving each dugout 3 challenges like tennis? You have to cite a specific player/incident to review and not just 'check that goal against us for crimes'. Fines for spurious challenges if necessary. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 2 hours ago, Kyle Reese said: They have had incidents overturned or turned in the other teams favour due to VAR that they would never have normally suffered. They hate it because it stops them getting as many things in their favour. Brendan Rodgers in particular hates that his team do not get as many favours as they used to. I much prefer what happens now compared to: Four players sent off at Ibrox mostly for f**k all Andy Webster told he must have elbowed himself in the eye, not John Hartson Dougie MacDonald sending off Webster and McCann at Rugby Park and Hartley in the 2006 cup final Andy Davis awarding Kyriakos a penalty for diving Barry Ferguson playing basketball Ian Brines sending off Fyssas for a dive by Maloney in a New Year’s Day game vs Celtic Allan McGregor kung-fu kicking Callum Elliot in the stomach Kenny Miller effectively ending Kevin McHattie’s career at a decent level with a knee high challenge at the touchline No thanks, I prefer when incompetence and bias are exposed and the officials made to look incompetent for their cowardice. I particularly enjoyed the nationwide ridicule when Dermot Gallagher reviewed the incident where the Motherwell player kicked Boyce in the chest and he booked him for diving. The two studio guests and him on SKY pissing themselves laughing at the referee. The more exposure these p***ks get the better The old firm have felt hard done by for years. A lad I used to work with still speaks about the odd incorrect decision from the 90s during their 9 in a row era. If you want to look at it from the 'refs are biased' points of view, VAR gives them another chance to give them the decision they want. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Reese Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Just now, DukDukGoose said: The old firm have felt hard done by for years. A lad I used to work with still speaks about the odd incorrect decision from the 90s during their 9 in a row era. If you want to look at it from the 'refs are biased' points of view, VAR gives them another chance to give them the decision they want. In my experience this has not been the case. We have had penalties against them that we would not have been awarded before, and the things I mentioned in my long post would have been overturned. Honestly don’t know if people forget how bad it was previously, but maybe that varies from club supporter to club supporter. We have had the absolute knickers taken off us over the years at HMFC, and I prefer the way things are now. I absolutely want to see the idiots running the show fired out a cannon in to mid-Atlantic, but I want the improved accuracy in verdicts to stay. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Just now, Kyle Reese said: In my experience this has not been the case. We have had penalties against them that we would not have been awarded before, and the things I mentioned in my long post would have been overturned. Honestly don’t know if people forget how bad it was previously, but maybe that varies from club supporter to club supporter. We have had the absolute knickers taken off us over the years at HMFC, and I prefer the way things are now. I absolutely want to see the idiots running the show fired out a cannon in to mid-Atlantic, but I want the improved accuracy in verdicts to stay. Not to be a dick, but do you attend games? I've not spoken to one regular attendee who'd like to keep it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Reese Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 (edited) 7 minutes ago, DukDukGoose said: Not to be a dick, but do you attend games? I've not spoken to one regular attendee who'd like to keep it. I started going to all home games and most away as a seven year old in 1986. I have been a season book holder (unbroken) since 1996. I still go to the away games that I can, and I never miss a cup game. I do get the whole thing about celebrating a goal, and then waiting on VAR to overrule it, but I can live with that. Far better to just improve the refereeing standard, and to eliminate so many utterly ridiculous decisions like the ones I mentioned in my long post. That frustration was unbearable. Edited May 3 by Kyle Reese 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DA Baracus Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 2 hours ago, Kyle Reese said: That’s just some of the big incidents off the top of my head too. All the offside goals or undeserved penalties over the years. Nope much prefer this way. How many penalties have Sevco had this season? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 39 minutes ago, Kyle Reese said: I started going to all home games and most away as a seven year old in 1986 1986, you say? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingswellsRed Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 1 hour ago, DukDukGoose said: Not to be a dick, but do you attend games? I've not spoken to one regular attendee who'd like to keep it. Same. I have heard folk at away games saying it is their last season solely because of VAR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Reese Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 39 minutes ago, kingjoey said: 1986, you say? Yep. My first ever season. It was incredible. Loved it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 I will not be attending anymore matches because of VAR. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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