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Dees v St Mirren- the battle for European glory


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8 minutes ago, Munoz said:

With the parking restrictions around the stadium, where's my best place to park?

I'd say up Graham street/kerrsview terrace area.

5-10 minute walk to the ground 

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35 minutes ago, Munoz said:

With the parking restrictions around the stadium, where's my best place to park?

The restrictions are fucking horrendous. They’ve introduced a no parking zone round the whole stadium on match days. It’s signposted as you drive into it but it’s easy to miss the signs. Even streets with no restrictions are no parking areas on match days. Tread carefully! 

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I’ve noticed some Motherwell and Celtic fans had parked right outside the Derry on dens road the last couple of games without issue. 

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26 minutes ago, K.T said:

I’ve noticed some Motherwell and Celtic fans had parked right outside the Derry on dens road the last couple of games without issue. 

Yeah. They don’t seem to have to wardens out every week. 

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8 hours ago, Black_and_White_Stripes said:

Just looking at each clubs' remaining fixtures after this game. With two home games, on paper we have the easier run in. I'm possibly stating the obvious, here, but I like to get things clear in my mind and so thought I'd share it, for what its worth.

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St. Mirren

Killie (h)

Hearts (h)

Celtic (a)

Prediction: 4 points (min. 1, max. 7)

 

Dundee

Hearts (a)

Rangers (a)

Killie (h)  

Prediction: 4 points (min. 1, max. 9)

 

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Home & Away tables taken from: https://www.soccerstats.com/homeaway.asp?league=scotland

 

A St. Mirren win will put us five points clear with the above fixtures remaining. Given our better goal difference, Dundee would have to take at least six points from the remaining fixtures and hope we lose all three of ours. This will be almost enough to ensure we finish in fifth spot, in my humble opinion.

A draw obviously maintains the status quo. Dundee will need to take at least three points from their remaining three fixtures and hope we lose all ours. 

A Dundee win will put Dundee a point clear of us and reduce their goal difference deficit. 

 

I would like to think Dundee definitely won't win at Ibrox, but with the pressure of the title race, Rangers' home defeat to Motherwell and their loss in Dingwall, I don't have the utmost confidence in Rangers at the moment; that said a Dundee victory at Ibrox is clearly unlikely, but I would rather go there that Celtic Park. Killie and Hearts have nothing to play for, and I always think soon-to-be out of contract players might not give 100% - however, we also benefit (and lose) from that.

There is next to zero chance we will win at Celtic Park and a very slim chance we will take a point, unless they have already won the title. Their sole loss at home this season was against Hearts, though notably they have had a few off days when they didn't collect all three points.

Hearts' home record is quite formidable, having lost just three from seventeen, so I am pleased we don't have to go to Tynecastle.

Our respective games against Killie will both be massive and in the event of a draw will quite possibly prove decisive, IMHO. I only noticed that their away form is poor, they're actually 7th in the away table - having won three, drawn eight and lost five! Failure to beat them could be very costly, then.

 

Conclusion: the pressure is on Dundee to win Saturday's game. A draw will still mean it can go either way. A Dundee loss will almost guarantee us fifth, assuming we don't implode in the last three games. 

 

It doesn't need to be said, but I will write it anyway: this is a HUGE game for both clubs!

 

COYS! 😬

 

Why do Dundee get a potential win at Ibrox, but we don’t get a potential win at Parkhead?

Apologies if the answer was in the remainder of your post but it was a bit of a TLDR and I’m a bit tired. 

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20 minutes ago, derrybiy said:

I still go around the fairmuir park area and I'd imagine that's best for away fans looking to get back on the kingsway too.

Seconded. 10 minute walk but worth it to get back on to kingsway without any real bother. 

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15 minutes ago, TPAFKA Jersey 2 said:

Why do Dundee get a potential win at Ibrox, but we don’t get a potential win at Parkhead?

Apologies if the answer was in the remainder of your post but it was a bit of a TLDR and I’m a bit tired. 

Obviously, it's just my humble opinion. However, Celtic have only lost once this season at home. Rangers have lost three times and have recently been dropping points. We deserved at least a draw last weekend and they were beaten by Ross County. They have lost their bottle. It gives me the absolute fear to think it, but I can see Rangers slipping up. I really do not see us beating Celtic. If they've won the league perhaps we can take a point off them if we get lucky, but even that's highly unlikely.

If we lose on Saturday, our only real hope is to win both our home games. It needs to be done by May 18th, IMHO, or we need a favour from Killie.

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8 hours ago, Wilbur said:

1-2 scoreline and a 5 point lead for the buds by Saturday evening. 

Love to see it. For all the talk of this being a ‘showdown’ the only result that would decide things is a Saints win.  Dundee aren’t making up a five point deficit in three games, two of which are at ibrox and Tynecastle, if we get three points, it’s over. 

A draw would certainly put us in the driving seat, but a two point lead with three games to go is far from decisive. A Dundee win would put them just one point ahead with a worse goal difference. Unlike Dundee, we could lose tomorrow and still finish 5th. 
We haven’t won a game for over two months, it feels like a long time. We will need to win one of these last four to get top five, might aswell make it tomorrow and we can get the passports out. 

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2 minutes ago, Lex said:

Love to see it. For all the talk of this being a ‘showdown’ the only result that would decide things is a Saints win.  Dundee aren’t making up a five point deficit in three games, two of which are at ibrox and Tynecastle, if we get three points, it’s over. 

A draw would certainly put us in the driving seat, but a two point lead with three games to go is far from decisive. A Dundee win would put them just one point ahead with a worse goal difference. Unlike Dundee, we could lose tomorrow and still finish 5th. 
We haven’t won a game for over two months, it feels like a long time. We will need to win one of these last four to get top five, might aswell make it tomorrow and we can get the passports out. 

Think that’s a pretty fair summation. 
We‘’be had a very good season, for us, but over the last few games things seemed to have really clicked. Ordinarily I should be extremely confident going into this match, expecting us to come out on top, but that’s not the Dundee way. Who knows, a draw is the most likely result, although I’ll be very surprised if there are not goals. Heart says 2 nil, head says 2 each. 

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9 hours ago, Black_and_White_Stripes said:

Obviously, it's just my humble opinion. However, Celtic have only lost once this season at home. Rangers have lost three times and have recently been dropping points. We deserved at least a draw last weekend and they were beaten by Ross County. They have lost their bottle. It gives me the absolute fear to think it, but I can see Rangers slipping up. I really do not see us beating Celtic. If they've won the league perhaps we can take a point off them if we get lucky, but even that's highly unlikely.

If we lose on Saturday, our only real hope is to win both our home games. It needs to be done by May 18th, IMHO, or we need a favour from Killie.

It’s a fair opinion, but I take a different one. 
When Rangers play Dundee, the league will not be over and Rangers will be desperate for points. 
I’d say there’s more chance of us beating a tools down, feet up Celtic, than of Dundee beating a Rangers team that need to win to keep the league alive. When you say Rangers have lost 3 times at home to Celtic’s one, that is of course correct. However, to put that into context a little, one of those defeats was against Celtic and the other was against Aberdeen last September.  If the Rangers Dundee game was at Dens I’d be more inclined to agree with you, but not at Ibrox. 
Think positive ma man! 👍

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4 minutes ago, TPAFKA Jersey 2 said:

It’s a fair opinion, but I take a different one. 
When Rangers play Dundee, the league will not be over and Rangers will be desperate for points. 
I’d say there’s more chance of us beating a tools down, feet up Celtic, than of Dundee beating a Rangers team that need to win to keep the league alive. When you say Rangers have lost 3 times at home to Celtic’s one, that is of course correct. However, to put that into context a little, one of those defeats was against Celtic and the other was against Aberdeen last September.  If the Rangers Dundee game was at Dens I’d be more inclined to agree with you, but not at Ibrox. 
Think positive ma man! 👍

The league is likely to be over by the time Dundee go to Ibrox, that rabble we saw at our place on Sunday are going to get a doing at Parkhead.

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35 minutes ago, Hendo said:

The league is likely to be over by the time Dundee go to Ibrox, that rabble we saw at our place on Sunday are going to get a doing at Parkhead.

But even if they lose at Parkhead the league still won’t be over. Assuming both teams win this weekend that is.

I also think people are overplaying how “shite” Rangers are and how “good” Celtic are. Rangers may have been shite on Sunday but they still won. Surely that must say something about them?

I don’t think there’s much between them and I also don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that Celtic will win against them. 

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In terms of how Celtic and Rangers impact the race between us and Dundee, the ideal scenario for us would be as follows.

This weekend -Rangers beat Killie and Celtic draw with Hearts.

Next game - Draw between them.

Next games - Rangers beat Dundee and Celtic beat Killie.

Next games - Rangers lose to Hearts and Celtic beat Dundee to win the league.

Final game - champions Celtic turn up smelling like a barman’s tie and still hawf pished. 

Job done. 👍

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At this point neither OF seem like they want to take the title, both offering up weak performances against both of us.

That said, the OF derby happens directly before Dundee play Rangers, while we are playing Celtic in the last game. I would argue that puts Dundee at a slight disadvantage. That flips should the title race go to the last game, as any Hearts fan knows we love to concede heavily to Celtic on the last day!

Why am I talking about the gruesome twosome and not this game? Because I think it shows just how important this game is.

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On 01/05/2024 at 00:37, Vicdfc said:

They haven’t won more trophies there ground isn’t bigger remember our ground has held more than 43000 in it they didn’t win the uefa final they get bigger crowds at the moment 

They got to the UEFA final though , and European cup semi finalists like yourselves.

Over that period they were more of a European force that yourselves 

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