velo army Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Shankland is fatter than John Robertson and not even half as good. I'm amazed how highly people rate him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainbowrising Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Gunn looks at least questionable and if we go Hendry and Hanley in front of him that, for me, is an enormous weakness. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derryboy62 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 3 hours ago, Pocketman said: He didn't though. Should have saved the 1st and the 5th (imo) I'd agree it's harsh to say he flogged them but it's tough at the top. They needed saved. Hopefully he gets back to his earlier form on Wed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 My team for Switzerland Clark Christie Porteous Souness Robertson Scott Brown Gilmour Kevin Twaddle Gauld Tierney McTominay 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 5 hours ago, 2426255 said: My team for Switzerland Clark Christie Porteous Souness Robertson Scott Brown Gilmour Kevin Twaddle Gauld Tierney McTominay Porteous is banned m8. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrispPancake Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) it hardly matters who plays tbh, we were so bad against Germany that there's almost no point worrying about the Switzerland or Hungary games. Watching the other group games so far only confirms just how how clueless, gutless, effortless and rank rotten the team are. In an ideal world, half of the current squad wouldn't kick a ball for the ball for the national team again as they are so far short of being of international quality whatever Steve Clarke managed to achieve and that isn't really much in the grand scheme of things then whoever takes over from him after the Euros as he surely won't stay or has to go then it's back to square 0 Edited June 18 by ChrispPancake -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS_FFC Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 hours ago, Richey Edwards said: Porteous is banned m8. To be fair we could probably just name Scott McKenna on the team sheet and have Porteous go out wearing McKenna’s name and number. I don’t reckon the Swiss would notice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahemps Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 17 hours ago, Alan Twelve said: I don't think the Swiss have the personnel to relentlessly harry us the way Germany did. They're more about patient control of the midfield. It's got dreary 0-0 written all over it. I'd probably take that now. A draw against a good team would restore some confidence, then it would mean if we won the Hungary game and got 4pts it could see us through. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennie makevin Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 You do wonder what it will take for people to accept that we are just not good enough to beat Switzerland or Hungary at the moment. If Friday night didn't snap us out of our delusions I imagine nothing will. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 The actual lineup won't be too different. However there are a couple of things that could impact this game: 1) Surely the tactics will be very different and we will attempt possession football. 2) Hopefully the coaching staff and players are absolutely fizzing at what happened and want to prove a point. We are good enough to do that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Scotch Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 41 minutes ago, ahemps said: I'd probably take that now. A draw against a good team would restore some confidence, then it would mean if we won the Hungary game and got 4pts it could see us through. I think Hungary's game plan was similar in some ways to us v Germany and just allowed Switzerland to control the ball comfortably and ping the passes around midfield. They were made to look better than what they are in my opinion with Hungary having a bit of an off day. I might just be optimistic but we have a good chance in beating Switzerland, we've beaten better teams with this squad and we have the midfield to control this game. We need to go for the win here rather than play for a draw 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Butters Scotch said: I think Hungary's game plan was similar in some ways to us v Germany and just allowed Switzerland to control the ball comfortably and ping the passes around midfield. They were made to look better than what they are in my opinion with Hungary having a bit of an off day. I might just be optimistic but we have a good chance in beating Switzerland, we've beaten better teams with this squad and we have the midfield to control this game. We need to go for the win here rather than play for a draw Agreed. If there is no reaction, it will be more than disappointing. Edited June 18 by git-intae-thum Typo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Finnerty Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 3 hours ago, kennie makevin said: You do wonder what it will take for people to accept that we are just not good enough to beat Switzerland or Hungary at the moment. If Friday night didn't snap us out of our delusions I imagine nothing will. Mate who cares. We're at a tournament, we've got two games left to play and people are very naturally going to continue feeling hope and excitement to some degree or another until we're actually out of it. You can write us off just now if you want and you can crow about how correct you were if we fail to get out of the group, but it's not going to put you in some special elevated position above folk who dared to indulge in a bit of optimism. Edited June 18 by Kevin Finnerty 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 7 minutes ago, Kevin Finnerty said: Mate who cares. We're at a tournament, we've got two games left to play and people are very naturally going to continue feeling hope and excitement to some degree or another until we're actually out of it. You can write us off just now if you want and you can crow about how correct you were if and when we fail to get out of the group, but it's not going to put you in some special elevated position above folk who dared to indulge in a bit of optimism. Not worth it bud. They are an England supporting troll account or one of those very odd Scotland hating Rangers types that you occassionally come across. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Terrapin Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Friday's result has totally scunnered me. I was looking forward to all the coverage of the team camp between matches but have actively avoided it. I thought on Friday we were so bad that it was inevitable both Switzerland and Hungary would pump us. My only glimmer of hope is that we did put up a better performance in the second game of the last Euros having performed insipidly in the first game(albeit nowhere near humiliating) and hopefully we can do the same here. It is difficult to predict a team that will perform as there was no one on Friday that even looked like they'd played football before but I would go with; Gunn Hendry Cooper McKenna Tierney Gilmour McGregor McGinn Robertson McTominay Adams 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennie makevin Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Kevin Finnerty said: Mate who cares. We're at a tournament, we've got two games left to play and people are very naturally going to continue feeling hope and excitement to some degree or another until we're actually out of it. You can write us off just now if you want and you can crow about how correct you were if and when we fail to get out of the group, but it's not going to put you in some special elevated position above folk who dared to indulge in a bit of optimism. 1 hour ago, git-intae-thum said: Not worth it bud. They are an England supporting troll account or one of those very odd Scotland hating Rangers types that you occassionally come across. 1 hour ago, git-intae-thum said: Not worth it bud. They are an England supporting troll account or one of those very odd Scotland hating Rangers types that you occassionally come across. Not thinking this Scotland team is good enough to beat Switzerland or Hungary is some sort of thought crime with you, is it ? Very odd. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishZizou Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) I think that we are probably a bit worse than Switzerland and Hungary but we've seen Romania beat Ukraine and Slovakia beat Belgium so it is certainly possible for us to get through. Our insistence of only playing one formation is so limiting and frustrating. We really should have tried some stuff in the friendlies v France/Netherlands. Nagelsmann had us figured out before we started and I was drinking with some German fans over the last couple of days who were laughing at it and couldn't really make any sense of what we were trying to do. It's possibly not the time for changing anything now but I'd love to see us just put Tierney at right back and play 4-2-3-1. We barely have any wingers but Christie left wing with Forrest right wing? Mcgregor and Gilmour holding with Mctominay or Mcginn off Adams. Yes Forrest would be lucky to play but it also means Ralston wouldn't be and we still have too many other midfielders any way we play. Gunn Tierney Hendry Hanley Robertson Gilmour Mcgregor Forrest Mctominay Christie Adams Edited June 18 by ScottishZizou 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuctifano Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Do we get a point if it's rained off? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennie makevin Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kevin Finnerty said: Mate who cares. We're at a tournament, we've got two games left to play and people are very naturally going to continue feeling hope and excitement to some degree or another until we're actually out of it. You can write us off just now if you want and you can crow about how correct you were if and when we fail to get out of the group, but it's not going to put you in some special elevated position above folk who dared to indulge in a bit of optimism. You really don't have a clue how this works son, do you ? I put my opinion, based on what I've seen of Scotland and their opponents, and conclude that I don't think we will beat either of them. I still have as much hope and excitement as you or any other perennial optimist . I just have no expectation. That's all. You see it differently..I'd much rather you be right than me . Optimism's fine. Realism's fine. Edited June 18 by kennie makevin -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 9 minutes ago, ScottishZizou said: I think that we are probably a bit worse than Switzerland and Hungary but we've seen Romania beat Ukraine and Slovakia beat Belgium so it is certainly possible for us to get through. Our insistence of only playing one formation is so limiting and frustrating. We really should have tried some stuff in the friendlies v France/Netherlands. Nagelsmann had us figured out before we started and I was drinking with some German fans over the last couple of days who were laughing at it and couldn't really make any sense of what we were trying to do. It's possibly not the time for changing anything now but I'd love to see us just put Tierney at right back and play 4-2-3-1. We barely have any wingers but Christie left wing with Forrest right wing? Mcgregor and Gilmour holding with Mctominay or Mcginn off Adams. Yes Forrest would be lucky to play but it also means Ralston wouldn't be and we still have too many other midfielders any way we play. Gunn Tierney Hendry Hanley Robertson Gilmour Mcgregor Forrest Mctominay Christie Adams Even if we did persist with the back three (as opposed to a back five) that could be the starting XI. Forrest at wing back would obviously be a huge risk but arguably no more so than Ralston or McCrorie. Agreed that McGinn should be the one dropping out for Gilmour either way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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