Dunning1874 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 I wonder how long it will take Labour to realise that the Remain voting commuter belt is their only way to electoral success. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 I wonder how long it will take Labour to realise that the Remain voting commuter belt is their only way to electoral success.A lot of those areas are more likely to go Lib Dem than Labour but even that would enable a centre-left coalition. The red wall isn’t going back any time soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Labour are suffering in the NE of England just as they did in Scotland - only this time the beneficiares are the actual government who's austerity policies are causing the hardship in many of these working class areas.It's either fantastic Tory strategy or dismal Labour inactivity that makes people who having their heads boiled in hot tar vote for the party who are boiling their heads in hot tar. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Labour are suffering in the NE of England just as they did in Scotland - only this time the beneficiares are the actual government who's austerity policies are causing the hardship in many of these working class areas. It's either fantastic Tory strategy or dismal Labour inactivity that makes people who having their heads boiled in hot tar vote for the party who are boiling their heads in hot tar. Just call it political ignorance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Donathan said: A lot of those areas are more likely to go Lib Dem than Labour but even that would enable a centre-left coalition. The red wall isn’t going back any time soon. I'm thinking seats that voted Labour for the first time in 1997 then wouldn't go near voting for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019. Edited May 7, 2021 by sparky88 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 34 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar Tier 3 said: Well. Thos just confirms that we desperately need to get away from Fascist England. Yeah. A Labour vote in Scotland is a wasted vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Donathan said: The red wall isn’t going back any time soon. It's hugely depressing. It's hard to avoid regarding Tory voters there with anything other than the dismissive contempt that is part of the problem. For this version of the Tory party, with this shit at the helm, to be actually gaining in popularity is just desperate. Thank Christ we actually have the pursuit of separation as a thing. It must just look desolate for anyone in England who leans at all towards the left. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Labour are suffering in the NE of England just as they did in Scotland - only this time the beneficiares are the actual government who's austerity policies are causing the hardship in many of these working class areas. It's either fantastic Tory strategy or dismal Labour inactivity that makes people who having their heads boiled in hot tar vote for the party who are boiling their heads in hot tar. That fails to appreciate that the landscape has changed down there after a referendum, sound familiar? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: It's hugely depressing. It's hard to avoid regarding Tory voters there with anything other than the dismissive contempt that is part of the problem. For this version of the Tory party, with this shit at the helm, to be actually gaining in popularity is just desperate. Thank Christ we actually have the pursuit of separation as a thing. It must just look desolate for anyone in England who leans at all towards the left. What's actually so great about the left, IMO it's played out. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, ayrmad said: What's actually so great about the left, IMO it's played out. Yes, largely deregulated markets have worked a treat for everyone. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Conservative majority of 6940 [emoji23] Labour [emoji23]"Keith" [emoji23]What an absolute binfire of a political party 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Just now, Monkey Tennis said: Yes, largely deregulated markets have worked a treat for everyone. The answer doesn't lie to the left. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 minute ago, ayrmad said: That fails to appreciate that the landscape has changed down there after a referendum, sound familiar? Exactly. Referendums in general cause political realignments. Labour still seem to be in denial that this has happened. Essentially the Tories copied the SNP's homework by ramping up the nationalism. Voting for the Tories to 'get Brexit done' is like voting for the SNP to 'get independence done'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Hartlepool is clearly just one by-election, and such things can be notoriously strange. It looks like council and mayoral elections might be delivering similar though. If so, it knackers the narrative about these votes just being loaned to the Tories in order to 'Get Brexit Done'. It also dents any notion that it was simply Corbyn who proved unpalatable. It's hard to see where Labour can turn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 That fails to appreciate that the landscape has changed down there after a referendum, sound familiar? Labour sat on the fence during the referendum and haven't shifted since.Starmer is possibly worse than Corbyn because given a choice between a Tory and Tory Lite the voters are choosing the Tory.If you spend years in local power and then do f**k all with it that doesn't help either.Labour took working class voters for granted and then ran away from the debate over the EU.Racism is also driving much of this - the elephant in the room - the reality is that UKIP and now the Tories are using it to get the votes.Labour has pussy footed for years on the issue, too scared to upset their core voters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, sparky88 said: Exactly. Referendums in general cause political realignments. Labour still seem to be in denial that this has happened. Essentially the Tories copied the SNP's homework by ramping up the nationalism. Voting for the Tories to 'get Brexit done' is like voting for the SNP to 'get independence done'. That's so simplistic. Look at voting trends for the past 20 years: a clear and pretty consistent trend towards the Conservatives in England, and the SNP in Scotland. There's an argument that the referendums only took place because political realignment was already happening. And don't forget the SNP lost seats in the Scottish Parliament post-2014. The Conservatives lost seats in the first post-Brexit referendum. Edited May 7, 2021 by Mr Heliums 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Monkey Tennis said: Hartlepool is clearly just one by-election, and such things can be notoriously strange. It looks like council and mayoral elections might be delivering similar though. If so, it knackers the narrative about these votes just being loaned to the Tories in order to 'Get Brexit Done'. It also dents any notion that it was simply Corbyn who proved unpalatable. It's hard to see where Labour can turn. They could maybe come over to YES up here, they appear to be cream crackered down south for a few decades. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Stewart Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Labour no mark Steve Reed on the BBC doing the inevitable and still trying to blame “the left” losing the populace’s trust from 2019 for losing the Hartlepool seat. This won’t just be spin. These losers will go about taking absolutely zero accountability when analysing this result rather than reflecting on the fact that Sur Keef is fucking useless, they haven’t opposed the Tories in anything meaningful for at least a year, and there’s not a human being alive that could actually tell you what this Labour Party stand for. They’ll go on making the same errors, and fall to the same level as the Lib Dems down in England, giving the Tories the right to govern for another miserable decade at least.Sooner we can disengage from that fucking shit show the better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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