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22 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/09/i-will-never-leave-labour-but-my-new-membership-card-makes-me-uneasy
 

It was from the general secretary of the Labour party, which I am never leaving, informing me of changes to my membership card. I now have to carry something with a union flag on it that says “putting country first” on the flip side.
 

:lol:

Bit derivative, I think. I suppose most here are familiar with the quote from arch-Tory GK Chesterton: " 'My country, right or wrong', is a thing no patriot would think of saying. It is like saying 'My mother, drunk or sober.' "

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Imagine going to all that fuss to access the stage, throw the glitter, you then get your chance to speak into the microphone for millions of people to see and hear, and the best you can come up with is a demand for a fucking "People's House". He deserves to do at least twenty years for that. 

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1 hour ago, DrewDon said:

Imagine going to all that fuss to access the stage, throw the glitter, you then get your chance to speak into the microphone for millions of people to see and hear, and the best you can come up with is a demand for a fucking "People's House". He deserves to do at least twenty years for that. 

Pull off by two women. Any actual protestor would be getting huckled and thrown around by security.

The fact it even looked like an Ed milliband impersonator makes it feel even more staged.

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I wonder to what extent the calculation from the Scottish electorate, which we know to be sophisticated, is that Starmer is going to win a stomping majority based on English and Welsh seats anyway and given that, it’s better to elect Scottish Labour MPs who will be inside the tent pissing out, the SNP MPs who won’t have the power to do anything. That wouldn’t be the case if it was the Tories who were leading the polls as they are seen to be out of touch with Scotland, but that’s maybe not the case with Labour 

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19 minutes ago, Donathan said:

I wonder to what extent the calculation from the Scottish electorate, which we know to be sophisticated, is that Starmer is going to win a stomping majority based on English and Welsh seats anyway and given that, it’s better to elect Scottish Labour MPs who will be inside the tent pissing out, the SNP MPs who won’t have the power to do anything. That wouldn’t be the case if it was the Tories who were leading the polls as they are seen to be out of touch with Scotland, but that’s maybe not the case with Labour 

You think there's actually a possibility that Keir Starmer's Labour Party isn't out of touch with Scotland?

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25 minutes ago, StellarHibee said:

You think there's actually a possibility that Keir Starmer's Labour Party isn't out of touch with Scotland?

I think there’s a very solid argument that a Scottish Labour MP who has a direct line into the cabinet can be more influential than an SNP MP when there’s a whomping majority government.


There’s probably around 70% of the Scottish electorate that would never want to vote Conservative and that’s why their popular voting numbers have topped out in the mid to high 20’s under the relative popularity of Ruth Davidson and Douglas Ross compared to former leaders like Annabel Goldie, Jackson Carlaw and David McLetchie.

 

But for Labour, their brand is far less toxic and I think an awful lot of voters would be willing to back them in the right circumstances. These could be those circumstances. 

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10 minutes ago, Donathan said:

There’s probably around 70% of the Scottish electorate that would never want to vote Conservative and that’s why their popular voting numbers have topped out in the mid to high 20’s under the relative popularity of Ruth Davidson and Douglas Ross

The Tories got just under 22% of the vote in the only election for which Douglas Ross has been leader. 

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6 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said:

Am I being thick by not having a fucking clue what this slogan means? How can you get a future back? Surely you just build a better future or something? What do ‘Britain must’ and ‘Britain can’ mean? Britain can what? Britain must what? 

What the f**k is going on? 

These short sharp slogans can be effective. Not many voters have the time or the will to sit and read the manifestos so having a quick reminder of what the party is actually standing for can be effective.

 

”Get Brexit done” worked for Boris Johnson in 2019 because it appealed to both sides. Brexiteers wanted it done finally and properly. Remainers were just fed up of Brexit and wanted it out the way. 
 

“Make America great again” worked for Trump similarly.

 

I agree though that this one is meaningless. I preferred Starmer’s previous one of “The best country in the world to grow up in, and the best country in the world to grow old in”. Not exactly as snappy as the 3 or 4 word efforts but straight and to the point nonetheless. 

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1 hour ago, Donathan said:

I think there’s a very solid argument that a Scottish Labour MP who has a direct line into the cabinet can be more influential than an SNP MP when there’s a whomping majority government.

That's assuming there will be a whomping majority government. John Custice made a good point on Times Radio the other day - current polls give Labour about a 17 point lead, but due to electoral geography and boundary changes, if that narrows to 11 or 12 points we might end up in Hung Parliament territory. Labour will still form a government, because the Lib Dems, SNP, Greens, Plaid won't support a Tory minority government and they might not even get Northern Irish support this time round, but it isn't outwith the realms of possibly that Labour form a minority/coalition government or do win outright but with a much slimmer majority than many would expect just looking at raw percentages.

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