Granny Danger Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 34 minutes ago, Ziggy Sobotka said: Braverman is a confirmed nutjob tbf, Lammy is just a shameless opportunistic cretin. Give him time… -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ziggy Sobotka said: Braverman is a confirmed nutjob tbf, Lammy is just a shameless opportunistic cretin. In the same way Dr Evil is a shameless opportunistic cretin Edited October 10, 2023 by MarkoRaj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thane of Cawdor Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 22 hours ago, Granny Danger said: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/09/i-will-never-leave-labour-but-my-new-membership-card-makes-me-uneasy It was from the general secretary of the Labour party, which I am never leaving, informing me of changes to my membership card. I now have to carry something with a union flag on it that says “putting country first” on the flip side. Bit derivative, I think. I suppose most here are familiar with the quote from arch-Tory GK Chesterton: " 'My country, right or wrong', is a thing no patriot would think of saying. It is like saying 'My mother, drunk or sober.' " 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 I beg your pardon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Imagine going to all that fuss to access the stage, throw the glitter, you then get your chance to speak into the microphone for millions of people to see and hear, and the best you can come up with is a demand for a fucking "People's House". He deserves to do at least twenty years for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Thought it was Saville he was associated with, not glitter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 9 hours ago, Ziggy Sobotka said: Absolutely fucking nuts 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 hour ago, DrewDon said: Imagine going to all that fuss to access the stage, throw the glitter, you then get your chance to speak into the microphone for millions of people to see and hear, and the best you can come up with is a demand for a fucking "People's House". He deserves to do at least twenty years for that. Pull off by two women. Any actual protestor would be getting huckled and thrown around by security. The fact it even looked like an Ed milliband impersonator makes it feel even more staged. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) A PM in waiting. A magnificent speech! Being sarcastic by the way! Edited October 10, 2023 by Highlandmagar -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 I wonder to what extent the calculation from the Scottish electorate, which we know to be sophisticated, is that Starmer is going to win a stomping majority based on English and Welsh seats anyway and given that, it’s better to elect Scottish Labour MPs who will be inside the tent pissing out, the SNP MPs who won’t have the power to do anything. That wouldn’t be the case if it was the Tories who were leading the polls as they are seen to be out of touch with Scotland, but that’s maybe not the case with Labour 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 19 minutes ago, Donathan said: I wonder to what extent the calculation from the Scottish electorate, which we know to be sophisticated, is that Starmer is going to win a stomping majority based on English and Welsh seats anyway and given that, it’s better to elect Scottish Labour MPs who will be inside the tent pissing out, the SNP MPs who won’t have the power to do anything. That wouldn’t be the case if it was the Tories who were leading the polls as they are seen to be out of touch with Scotland, but that’s maybe not the case with Labour You think there's actually a possibility that Keir Starmer's Labour Party isn't out of touch with Scotland? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 25 minutes ago, StellarHibee said: You think there's actually a possibility that Keir Starmer's Labour Party isn't out of touch with Scotland? I think there’s a very solid argument that a Scottish Labour MP who has a direct line into the cabinet can be more influential than an SNP MP when there’s a whomping majority government. There’s probably around 70% of the Scottish electorate that would never want to vote Conservative and that’s why their popular voting numbers have topped out in the mid to high 20’s under the relative popularity of Ruth Davidson and Douglas Ross compared to former leaders like Annabel Goldie, Jackson Carlaw and David McLetchie. But for Labour, their brand is far less toxic and I think an awful lot of voters would be willing to back them in the right circumstances. These could be those circumstances. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Am I being thick by not having a fucking clue what this slogan means? How can you get a future back? Surely you just build a better future or something? What do ‘Britain must’ and ‘Britain can’ mean? Britain can what? Britain must what? What the f**k is going on? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Donathan said: There’s probably around 70% of the Scottish electorate that would never want to vote Conservative and that’s why their popular voting numbers have topped out in the mid to high 20’s under the relative popularity of Ruth Davidson and Douglas Ross The Tories got just under 22% of the vote in the only election for which Douglas Ross has been leader. Edited October 10, 2023 by oneteaminglasgow 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: The Tories got just under 22% of the vote in the only election for which Douglas Ross has been leader. I’m getting my dates mixed up. Their 25% in 2019 was actually under Jackson Carlaw. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: Am I being thick by not having a fucking clue what this slogan means? How can you get a future back? Surely you just build a better future or something? What do ‘Britain must’ and ‘Britain can’ mean? Britain can what? Britain must what? What the f**k is going on? These short sharp slogans can be effective. Not many voters have the time or the will to sit and read the manifestos so having a quick reminder of what the party is actually standing for can be effective. ”Get Brexit done” worked for Boris Johnson in 2019 because it appealed to both sides. Brexiteers wanted it done finally and properly. Remainers were just fed up of Brexit and wanted it out the way. “Make America great again” worked for Trump similarly. I agree though that this one is meaningless. I preferred Starmer’s previous one of “The best country in the world to grow up in, and the best country in the world to grow old in”. Not exactly as snappy as the 3 or 4 word efforts but straight and to the point nonetheless. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Old Pantomine jokes revisited What are you doing? I'm sprinkling woofle dust to make socialists disappear But there are no socialists in the Labour Party Then it must be working.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Donathan said: I think there’s a very solid argument that a Scottish Labour MP who has a direct line into the cabinet can be more influential than an SNP MP when there’s a whomping majority government. That's assuming there will be a whomping majority government. John Custice made a good point on Times Radio the other day - current polls give Labour about a 17 point lead, but due to electoral geography and boundary changes, if that narrows to 11 or 12 points we might end up in Hung Parliament territory. Labour will still form a government, because the Lib Dems, SNP, Greens, Plaid won't support a Tory minority government and they might not even get Northern Irish support this time round, but it isn't outwith the realms of possibly that Labour form a minority/coalition government or do win outright but with a much slimmer majority than many would expect just looking at raw percentages. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 hour ago, oneteaminglasgow said: Am I being thick by not having a fucking clue what this slogan means? How can you get a future back? He is going to repair the timeline! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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