What is the point of labour ?

[lichtgilphead]

1 hour ago, Jedi2 said:

Less than a week in, and already delivering..

National Wealth Fund set up with £7.8 billion of public money going in, and having the banks on board already to aim for £3 private for every £1 of public investment for ports, gigafactories, Windfall Tax on oil and gas started.

GB Energy Investment to start in the next few days

Onshore Windfarms ban by the Tories overturned, opening up new Green Energy potential

New house planning and building targets started and a recruitment of 300 local planning officers 

6500 Teachers: Recruitment boost underway with an expansion of adverts, vacancies and online targeting for recruitment.

Rwanda Scheme Scrapped and Border Security Command Force set up to tackle the criminal gangs behind people smuggling.

Audit of NHS finances started, and working in partnership with health officials to best target finance.

We were told that 'none' of the Manifesto would be enacted...

Of course it will take time to see the effects of the numbers on teachers, houses, waiting lists etc, but doing what they said they would do right away, and the difference being a large number of Scottish WM MPs are part of making these decisions 

Oh god. It's yet another long & boring Jedilist^TM

National Wealth Fund - only 35 years after Norway set theirs up. Wow!

GB Energy - announced, not delivered

Windfarm ban - wasn't that an English thing, and not applicable up here?

Planning changes - again, isn't this an English thing? Even if it isn't, that works out at less than 1 planner per Scottish LA by some date in 2026. Again, nothing has been delivered yet.

Teachers - isn't this devolved?

Rwanda - Hurrah! Labour have done something!

NHS - more devolved stuff.

Scottish Labour WM MP's making decisions - we're not genetically programmed to do that! (C) Johann Lamont. We should just take our place as lobby fodder

Isn't life great in Sir Keir's socialist paradise!

[Cheese]

Scratch under the surface of that lot and there's nothing much to shout about I'm afraid.

 

[DA Baracus]

[Jedi2]

4 hours ago, Salvo Montalbano said:

Who said that? I don't think anyone thought that the manifesto would be implemented, just that it was a centre-right manifesto. The fact that not one of the left-wing (or even centre-left) MPs have been given cabinet posts suggests that the whole "he'll say one thing to get elected, it'll be another thing once he's in office" ruse, one populated by people such as (checks notes), prolific P&B poster Jedi2, was actually a loaf of nonsense. As predicted by (checks notes again) pretty much everyone.

'He'll say one thing to get elected, it'll be another thing once he's in office'...not quite sure how that squares with making strides in the first week to start implementing the Manifesto they were elected on. You will also find @Granny Dangerand others consistently suggested 'none' of the Manifesto would happen.

Of course Teachers, NHS, Planning changes for Housing etc are all fully devolved as we know and therefore Labour WM have no say at present in how these services are delivered in Scotland...that's the beauty of Devolution.What we do also know however is that any increased WM spend in these areas also leads to increased funding for Scotland...what happens to that funding is still entirely up to.....the SNP.

Norway Wealth Fund..yes 35 years ago...over the past 35 years the Tories have been in power for 22 of them, so not quite entirely 'it's 'only' taken (Labour) that long to move on it)

 

[Jedi2]

So in summary...Labour 'charlatans, liars and thieves'..don't expect them to do anything they say.

....start implementing the Manifesto pledges within the first week.. aye, but what about Health, Education and Housing in Scotland..er, these are all fully devolved.

Aye...so they have let Scotland down (again)...expect a comfortable SNP win in 2026 as a result 

[lichtgilphead]

1 hour ago, Jedi2 said:

Of course Teachers, NHS, Planning changes for Housing etc are all fully devolved as we know and therefore Labour WM have no say at present in how these services are delivered in Scotland...that's the beauty of Devolution.What we do also know however is that any increased WM spend in these areas also leads to increased funding for Scotland...what happens to that funding is still entirely up to.....the SNP.

A whole 11 pence per Scottish resident per year (for 2 years) in Barnett consequentials.

I hope the SNP don't waste this windfall.

[Theroadlesstravelled]

1 hour ago, lichtgilphead said:

A whole 11 pence per Scottish resident per year (for 2 years) in Barnett consequentials.

I hope the SNP don't waste this windfall.

Don't worry, they will. 

 

[Freedom Farter]

[Freedom Farter]

A bit late now but this guy was your actual "Corbyn in a suit" which the Labour members who voted for Starmer thought they were getting. Which is not to blame those members as Lewis failed to get the required PLP nominations to be on the ballot in that leadership election. Lewis is fairly close to Corbyn's politics and his military background would've rendered him invulnerable to the attacks on foreign policy issues which blighted Corbyn. I've little doubt Lewis could've just pulled off an election victory similar in scale to Starmer but offering far bolder policies. Ach well.

[JS_FFC]

17 hours ago, JS_FFC said:

The awful scenes in Hertfordshire today absolutely reinforce the absolute need for Labour to carry through on their promise to half violence against women and girls. If they don’t achieve that, they don’t deserve a second term. 

@virginton to explain why he has red dotted this and therefore doesn’t believe Labour should half violence against women and girls. 

[Cheese]

Swinney must condemn.

[J_Stewart]

13 hours ago, Jedi2 said:

Norway Wealth Fund..yes 35 years ago...over the past 35 years the Tories have been in power for 22 of them, so not quite entirely 'it's 'only' taken (Labour) that long to move on it)

 

I presume there was a solid reason that they didn't implement it during their 13 years in charge from '97 to 2010, and not just that they were massive neo-cons, very similar to the new incumbents, who didn't actually want to enhance the public sector? 

[coprolite]

14 hours ago, Jedi2 said:

'He'll say one thing to get elected, it'll be another thing once he's in office'...not quite sure how that squares with making strides in the first week to start implementing the Manifesto they were elected on. You will also find @Granny Dangerand others consistently suggested 'none' of the Manifesto would happen.

Of course Teachers, NHS, Planning changes for Housing etc are all fully devolved as we know and therefore Labour WM have no say at present in how these services are delivered in Scotland...that's the beauty of Devolution.What we do also know however is that any increased WM spend in these areas also leads to increased funding for Scotland...what happens to that funding is still entirely up to.....the SNP.

Norway Wealth Fund..yes 35 years ago...over the past 35 years the Tories have been in power for 22 of them, so not quite entirely 'it's 'only' taken (Labour) that long to move on it)

 

I think your triumphalism is a bit premature. 

Stopping Rwanda is obviously good and an actual achievement. It is the lowest of low hanging fruit though. 

The windfarm reversal is also good. Even if it's a devolved issue, the greenhouse effect doesn't stop at Carlisle, so this will benefit even the most parochial of Mcglashans, if only marginally. 

As far as I know, they haven't actually recruited thousands of teachers, built hundreds of thousands of homes or got any big investments on the go yet. Maybe see how they get on with it before starting the fellatio. 

Nothing on restoring employment protection yet. 

My recollection was that it was mostly people who were behind labour that were saying they were only trying to look like tories to get elected and would do labour things in office. No sign of that yet.... 

 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

6 hours ago, Freedom Farter said:

A bit late now but this guy was your actual "Corbyn in a suit" which the Labour members who voted for Starmer thought they were getting. Which is not to blame those members as Lewis failed to get the required PLP nominations to be on the ballot in that leadership election. Lewis is fairly close to Corbyn's politics and his military background would've rendered him invulnerable to the attacks on foreign policy issues which blighted Corbyn. I've little doubt Lewis could've just pulled off an election victory similar in scale to Starmer but offering far bolder policies. Ach well.

Jesus - some of the follow-up posts from royalist lickspittles are just laughable.

 

[Jedi2]

15 hours ago, lichtgilphead said:

A whole 11 pence per Scottish resident per year (for 2 years) in Barnett consequentials.

I hope the SNP don't waste this windfall.

Based on?

[Jedi2]

2 hours ago, coprolite said:

I think your triumphalism is a bit premature. 

Stopping Rwanda is obviously good and an actual achievement. It is the lowest of low hanging fruit though. 

The windfarm reversal is also good. Even if it's a devolved issue, the greenhouse effect doesn't stop at Carlisle, so this will benefit even the most parochial of Mcglashans, if only marginally. 

As far as I know, they haven't actually recruited thousands of teachers, built hundreds of thousands of homes or got any big investments on the go yet. Maybe see how they get on with it before starting the fellatio. 

Nothing on restoring employment protection yet. 

My recollection was that it was mostly people who were behind labour that were saying they were only trying to look like tories to get elected and would do labour things in office. No sign of that yet.... 

 

Don't disagree that we need to 'see the numbers' regarding 6500 teachers (over a 5 year period of course), number of houses (same), and waiting lists. And yes 'halving' violence against women and girls is essential but will also take time 

However it is at least a 'good' start to already be getting the foundations in place.

Not yet convinced that the first 2 years up until 2026 of (any) govt will be long enough to say 'look Labour have failed' for Holyrood, and given that most of their policy proposals only affect England and Wales in any case...

At the same time no-one has any idea what 'events' could transpire between now and then..the Tories after all, came in, in 2019 promising to level up, but that was shelved in fairness due to spending £400 billion on furlough and vaccines (as well as shuffling cash to their pals for PPE of course). Also in 2019 we didn't then have Putin attempting a full invasion of Ukraine which pushed up energy and food prices across Europe.

Labour also need 'luck' to have a term in office which isn't derailed by outside forces of wars, pandemics, and indeed a Trump re-election.

Edited July 11 by Jedi2

[lichtgilphead]

57 minutes ago, Jedi2 said:

Based on?

Simple arithmetic, obviously.

Are you totally incapable of doing your own research?

Cost to hire a planner ~£45000 per year (based on https://uk.talent.com/salary?job=planner salary plus on costs)

Number of Planners 300

Timescale  - all in place by March 2026

Total Cost = £13,500,000 over 2 years

Yearly cost to hire 300 planners in England = £6,750,000 per year 

Barnett consequentials flowing to Scotland = 8.645% x increase in spending in England = 0.08645 x 6750000 = £583537.50 per year

Population of Scotland 5.454 million

583537.50/5454000 = £0.10699 

As I said, that's just under 11 pence per year each for everyone in Scotland. Simple stuff.

[Granny Danger]

49 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said:

Simple arithmetic, obviously.

Are you totally incapable of doing your own research?

Cost to hire a planner ~£45000 per year (based on https://uk.talent.com/salary?job=planner salary plus on costs)

Number of Planners 300

Timescale  - all in place by March 2026

Total Cost = £13,500,000 over 2 years

Yearly cost to hire 300 planners in England = £6,750,000 per year 

Barnett consequentials flowing to Scotland = 8.645% x increase in spending in England = 0.08645 x 6750000 = £583537.50 per year

Population of Scotland 5.454 million

583537.50/5454000 = £0.10699 

As I said, that's just under 11 pence per year each for everyone in Scotland. Simple stuff.

The thing is his PhD was entitled ‘Counting And Stuff - An In Depth Analysis Of Counting And … Err … Stuff’.

 

[Granny Danger]

9 hours ago, Freedom Farter said:

A bit late now but this guy was your actual "Corbyn in a suit" which the Labour members who voted for Starmer thought they were getting. Which is not to blame those members as Lewis failed to get the required PLP nominations to be on the ballot in that leadership election. Lewis is fairly close to Corbyn's politics and his military background would've rendered him invulnerable to the attacks on foreign policy issues which blighted Corbyn. I've little doubt Lewis could've just pulled off an election victory similar in scale to Starmer but offering far bolder policies. Ach well.

When Corbyn stepped down I remember saying Lewis would be the best option to replace him.  Certain posters on here cited his military service as an argument against it.

[Cheese]

It really shows how bad the last government was (and the overall state of politics and the media in this country) that these rather tepid, underwhelming reforms are being hailed as some sort of FDR's New Deal.

'You repealed a planning law this morning. Truly magnificent, sir.'