GordonS Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 2 hours ago, Todd_is_God said: There is a point blank refusal to accept that any changes in the climate are anything other than man made. Sorry? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 16 minutes ago, GordonS said: Sorry? Which part are you struggling with? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 It's because the woke globalist elite have built weather machines and keep turning the 'hot' dial up to 10. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Just now, Todd_is_God said: Which part are you struggling with? As written you're saying there's a point blank refusal to accept that humans are not the only thing changing the climate right now. Is that what you mean? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Just now, GordonS said: As written you're saying there's a point blank refusal to accept that humans are not the only thing changing the climate right now. Is that what you mean? No. The narrative is that humans are entirely responsible for any changes in the climate. The idea that it is in any way natural is completely taboo. It's such patent bullshit. Until it's accepted that human activity is not the driver of any change in the climate the investment and advancements in technology etc required for those in the areas where any impacts are likely to be most severe to be able to adapt and survive won't happen. The priority shouldn't be air pumps, solar panels and EVs here - these aren't going to stop the climate changing. The priority should be making the living environment in places like the earlier poster described better (and actually liveable) and developing technology to allow crops etc to continue to grow in those areas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 5 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: No. The narrative is that humans are entirely responsible for any changes in the climate. The idea that it is in any way natural is completely taboo. It's such patent bullshit. Until it's accepted that human activity is not the driver of any change in the climate the investment and advancements in technology etc required for those in the areas where any impacts are likely to be most severe to be able to adapt and survive won't happen. The priority shouldn't be air pumps, solar panels and EVs here - these aren't going to stop the climate changing. The priority should be making the living environment in places like the earlier poster described better (and actually liveable) and developing technology to allow crops etc to continue to grow in those areas. You're just really wrong. In the IPCC's 5th Assessment Report, which pulled together all available evidence from all sources, the estimate for how much warming humans have caused is 72% to 146%, with a central point of 110%. How can it be over 100%? Because the best evidence we have says that the Earth's average air temperature would be cooling right now without our input, due to our point in the Milankovitch cycle (the Earth's orbital pattern) and other factors like volcanic activity. That was in 2013. In the 11 years since then all observations and analysis have firmed that up, and there is literally no evidence at all that contradicts it. In 2017 the US' fourth National Climate Assessment put the human contribution at 93% to 123%. FWIW that was published under Trump's administration. You're taking a position that is anti-scientific and is entirely at odds with absolutely everything we know for sure. Maybe what you're getting at is how people attribute every extreme weather event to climate change, which obviously we can't do. But scientifically, you can say with more than 95% confidence that the atmosphere is probably only warming due to us. And the kind of natural changes you're talking about are vastly slower than what we're seeing at the moment. https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-why-scientists-think-100-of-global-warming-is-due-to-humans/ 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 5 minutes ago, GordonS said: You're taking a position that is anti-scientific and is entirely at odds with absolutely everything we know for sure. I genuinely cannot be arsed doing this again so I'm going to be checking out of this thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 5 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: I genuinely cannot be arsed doing this again so I'm going to be checking out of this thread. Good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 The same scientists in the pockets of big oil that could easily invent cars that run on water are obviously also in the pockets of big air conditioning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUcal Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 (edited) 11 hours ago, Todd_is_God said: No. The narrative is that humans are entirely responsible for any changes in the climate. The idea that it is in any way natural is completely taboo. It's such patent bullshit. No. The narrative that human activity has drastically increased the greenhouse effect in our atmosphere at a rate not previously seen is based in substantial scientific fact. It's patent ignorance to outright object any suggestion that human impact is at play. We have sent the Earth's natural greenhouse effect into slight overdrive. That's not to say that climatic changes with detrimental impacts on natural life don't occur naturally themselves, of course they do. There have been several significant periods of such warming. Those periods however, did not occur at anywhere near the rapid pace we've seen with our current climatic changes. The increase in temperatures and the effects we're observing are far too rapid to be of the same basis as other previous atmospheric greenhouse gas increases. For example, we're currently running at around 9-12 times the average rate of warming seen in post ice-age periods. The current incline of atmospheric GHG's can be tracked directly in parallel with the mass industrialisation of our societies / economies, and isotopic fingerprinting can pinpoint the sources of carbon with impressive accuracy. I agree wholeheartedly with your point on making the built environment more livable in the places most heavily impacted and developing appropriate technologies to adapt to the new normal. We do however still need drastic changes to occur in a lot of sectors. Energy, agriculture and food retail, transport and fashion / clothing industries, in particular. Otherwise, these issues will only get drastically worse. Edited July 9 by AUcal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Even if things getting this bad is completely irrelevant of us(a very silly view point but ok) then we should still be doing everything to stop it. CO2 massively rising and causing shit results, lets minimise our contribution to that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 I've always wondered how cowboys could go around in leather chaps and woolen shirts in the desert with temperatures of over 35C without shade or water. That was before anyone knew about climate change so it was probably a nice 18C with a cool breeze. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Spent the past few weeks here in Orlando, ive not known heat like it here before, every single day its been about 35* and melting hot, its a dry heat not like the usual humid heat. The yanks seem to be in complete denial about anything climate related, which sorta makes you think our own efforts back home are like pishing on a volcano? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 When equatorial regions become unliveable, it'll force the immigration of millions, the death of millions more. Ocean acidification will collapse large parts of the food chain in these regions. The global economy will be severely affected by the forced displacement of millions of relatively low wage workers. There will be war (and the semi collapse of the world's largest democracy and a nuclear power to boot), and there will be a greater opportunity for disease and pandemics to impact the other, less affected regions as well. Adaptation is not possible in the face of such a systemic collapse, no amount of air conditioning is going to help. We need to stop the increase in warming. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Last time I was in Delhi is was 15°C and pissing with rain. Proper arsehole behaviour from the Indian lads. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 13 hours ago, Todd_is_God said: No. The narrative is that humans are entirely responsible for any changes in the climate. The idea that it is in any way natural is completely taboo. It's such patent bullshit. Until it's accepted that human activity is not the driver of any change in the climate the investment and advancements in technology etc required for those in the areas where any impacts are likely to be most severe to be able to adapt and survive won't happen. The priority shouldn't be air pumps, solar panels and EVs here - these aren't going to stop the climate changing. The priority should be making the living environment in places like the earlier poster described better (and actually liveable) and developing technology to allow crops etc to continue to grow in those areas. That's some strawman. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 The woke never rest. First they cancelled Christmas, now they are renaming summer. Insha'allah we will defeat them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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