Alex Salmond deid.

[Meeniedee]

RIP....like him or not everything he believed in and did politically was for the benefit of scotland

Edited Saturday at 19:34 by Meeniedee

[scottsdad]

Politicians today would never do this.

[Wee-Bey]

 

[ICTChris]

2 minutes ago, Wee-Bey said:

 

The first Salmond Truther?

[Colkitto]

I attended an independence rally in Glasgow in the Summer and Alex was in the crowd.

I noticed he had put on a lot of weight and wasn't very mobile when walking. I thought to myself at the time he didn't look well.

He was a very formidable politician who took Scotland to the brink of independence. That's something he should be remembered for in years to come.

RIP Alex

[scottsdad]

3 minutes ago, Wee-Bey said:

 

[MazzyStar]

2 hours ago, Wee-Bey said:

Again, I think you're giving him way too much credit here.

As far as I’m aware the general position of the British left from the 1970s to the 1990s was one of opposition to the EU and this made up the majority of euroscepticism in the UK because on the right it was only the lunatic fringes that opposed the EU since this was the period when the EU began on the trajectory of Thatcherism/neoliberalism that continues to this day, with the creation of the single market etc. 

Obviously, this all changed when the likes of Farage came on the scene and ,as I said in a previous post, hijacked the euroscepticism movement and people on the left such as Caroline Lucas (formerly anti EU when she was an MEP) and people that were never really on the left such as Alex Salmond took it upon themselves to make total acceptance of the EU the only viable left wing position because of the types of people who ended up becoming most associated with anti EU politics in the 2000s and 2010s. 

 

Edited Saturday at 20:39 by MazzyStar

[Wee-Bey]

Just now, ICTChris said:

The first Salmond Truther?

Irn bru doesn't melt steel beams.

Suspicious looking campervan spotted near the scene.

[ICTChris]

I was not a fan of Salmond, either personally or politically, but he was a titantic figure in Scottish politics.  He turned Scottish independence from a fringe concern of oddballs to the main political issue in the country.  He took the SNP from something resembling what Alba are now to the natural party of government.  He wasn't flawless by any means as we are all now aware but his impact and influence are more than almost any other Scottish politician of our lifetimes - maybe only Donald Dewar comes close.

[dstuart82]

1 hour ago, bennett said:

Like him or dislike him, you can't deny that he was the best Scotland politician of his era.

 

 

 

By some distance too, who even comes close?

[Wee-Bey]

12 minutes ago, MazzyStar said:

As far as I’m aware the general position of the British left from the 1970s to the 1990s was one of opposition to the EU and this made up the majority of euroscepticism in the UK because on the right it was only the lunatic fringes that opposed the EU since this was the period when the EU began on the trajectory of Thatcherism/neoliberalism that continues to this day, with the creation of the single market etc. 

Obviously, this all changed when the likes of Farage came on the scene and ,as I said in a previous post, hijacked the euroscepticism movement and people on the left such as Caroline Lucas (formerly anti EU when she was an MEP) and people that were never really on the left such as Alex Salmond took it upon themselves to make total acceptance of the EU the only viable left wing position because the of types of people who ended up becoming most associated with anti EU politics in the 2000s and 2010s. 

 

I get what you're saying and I don't disagree with most of it. I'm just questioning Salmond's influence over the "British left'.

The Europhile position has been standard for the establishment liberal left for over 30 years now.

[git-intae-thum]

The independence movement has just lost its father. Scotland has lost its most loyal son.

RIP

 

 

 

[StygianDepths]

More information can be found by looking at the Macedonian press (via translate obviously) https://a1on.mk/macedonia/na-konferencija-vo-ohrid-nenadejno-pochina-poraneshen-shkotski-premier/ 

He died in the city of Ohrid in the Inex Gorica hotel during lunch. The cause is thought to be a heart attack.

Personally, I'm absolutely gutted. Salmond was a bit of a political hero of mine and got us so close to independence. It's sad that he died without seeing his dream realised. An incredible politician and a brilliant debater - whenever he was on Question Time it was must see. Rest well Alex and thank you for all you have done for Scotland. 

 

[highlandmac]

19 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

 - maybe only Donald Dewar comes close.

[oneteaminglasgow]

1 hour ago, FalkirkBairn2021 said:

The best politician Scotland has had outside John Smith.

 

1 hour ago, bennett said:

Like him or dislike him, you can't deny that he was the best Scotland politician of his era.

 

19 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

his impact and influence are more than almost any other Scottish politician of our lifetimes - maybe only Donald Dewar comes close.

 

15 minutes ago, dstuart82 said:

By some distance too, who even comes close?

Lot of people forgetting about the big man.

[lichtgilphead]

2 hours ago, MazzyStar said:

Had awful political views but still liked to pretend to be a socialist, and probably led the way for many other people who are nothing but centrists to masquerade as “left wing”. 

Thos would be the same Alex Salmond that was a leading figure in the '79 group?

The same '79 group that was formed as a left wing organisation committed to the establishment of a "socialist and republican Scotland"?

The same Alex Salmond that was expelled ftom the SNP in 1982 (with other '79 Group members) for pushing a more left-wing line?

[invergowrie arab]

26 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

I was not a fan of Salmond, either personally or politically, but he was a titantic figure in Scottish politics.  He turned Scottish independence from a fringe concern of oddballs to the main political issue in the country.  He took the SNP from something resembling what Alba are now to the natural party of government.  He wasn't flawless by any means as we are all now aware but his impact and influence are more than almost any other Scottish politician of our lifetimes - maybe only Donald Dewar comes close.

Donald Dewar did f**k all but be the next Labour no mark off the rank when better men made devolution happen. 

[DrewDon]

It is something that happens when a high profile political figure dies, but the "I didn't always agree with..." or "I wasn't a massive fan of..." tributes are always a bit odd to me.

The political death tribute version of "I'm not a [Club X] fan, but..." or "Respect from a [Club Y] fan."

[MazzyStar]

3 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said:

Thos would be the same Alex Salmond that was a leading figure in the '79 group?

The same '79 group that was formed as a left wing organisation committed to the establishment of a "socialist and republican Scotland"?

The same Alex Salmond that was expelled ftom the SNP in 1982 (with other '79 Group members) for pushing a more left-wing line?

That was when he was a non entity. By the time he was anywhere near power he’d abandoned any socialist views he ever had. 

[itzdrk]

2 hours ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said:

A vile sex pest. He won't be missed.

People not liking facts today.