peasy23 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Matt Prior said to Smith that "he was one game away from being dropped." Pot, kettle and black springs to mind. Massive chance missed by England, but Haddin once again does it when it matters. That's three 50s and a hundred from 4 innings. Impressive stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Reynard Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Tis is a result wicket, England need to get Australia out for a par score which will be around 450 then get something the same for themselves. The wicket will get faster and might start to take spin so the Australian second innings will be the key to the game (unless they add a hefty amount with their tail here). Idont think England actually let Australia off the hook at all, they were never actually on the hook. The wickets taken were thrown away with poor shots and it certainly wasnt as a result of good bowling. Johnston will enjoy bowling on it at some point tomorrow, it will have dried a bit and got faster and the bounce will still be there for him. England will need to turn up with the bat for onceor they are doomed. Picking Bresnan was a risk but other than going for Tremlett who has lost that pace he once had they were snookered. Bresnan bowled a fairly good line for the most part but Broad and Stokes were pish and got carried away with the bounce of the wicket, they bowled far too short and the pace isnt right there in the pitch yet until it fully dries. No swing for Jimmy so he just ends up a stock bowler in these conditions so Broad chucking pies wasnt a good situation and Stokes is inexperienced so can be forgiven but it wasnt a good day with the ball. England have to hope they can turn up tomorrow and get through Australia swiftly which I wouldnt bet on. The Aussies have done a number on Swann this series, really gone after him and he hasn't had any answers yet. Sunset of his career job by the look of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 And they also bowled to Smiths strengths. He has a slight weakness outside off stump where he can be guilty of fishing at times. So lets bowl short to him on a tennis ball bounce wicket that isnt going through at full pace yet so he can rock back and pull for fun. Genius. Haddin was again excellent, if Prior had been in any sort of form with the bat it could have made such a difference to the English tail like Haddin has done for the Aussies. He is having a fantastic series so far and has dug them out a few times now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 (edited) Haddin was again excellent, if Prior had been in any sort of form with the bat it could have made such a difference to the English tail like Haddin has done for the Aussies. He is having a fantastic series so far and has dug them out a few times now. He's batted 4 times and scored 94, 53, 118 and 55, which on their own are great figures. But you have to remember that the 94 in the first test came when they were up against it and the innings this morning also came when they were under pressure.. England's bowling coach David Saker hasn't missed the bowlers after today's performance. "It was a disappointing day for all the bowlers. We pride ourselves at being able to restrict scoring and we weren't able to do that. "We had a chance, but we weren't able to take it. We probably bowled a little bit too short. "It's drilled into this group not to bowl short. We probably got a little bit excited. "We thought we bowled full early doors, but there wasn't a lot of swing, then we pulled it back too far. "But the game is still alive. We will come back tomorrow, fight to get the four wickets and then hopefully bat really well. "We assess selection all the time. We make mistakes, and we might have made a mistake in this game. We picked a side that we thought would get 20 wickets and that still could happen." Left the part about selection highlighted, how much input would the coaches have in reality? Flower always strikes me as being very much the main man, don't know if he would pay that much attention to the others. Edited December 13, 2013 by peasy23 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 He's batted 4 times and scored 94, 53, 118 and 55, which on their own are great figures. But you have to remember that the 94 in the first test came when they were up against it and the innings this morning also came when they were under pressure.. England's bowling coach David Saker hasn't missed the bowlers after today's performance. "It was a disappointing day for all the bowlers. We pride ourselves at being able to restrict scoring and we weren't able to do that. "We had a chance, but we weren't able to take it. We probably bowled a little bit too short. "It's drilled into this group not to bowl short. We probably got a little bit excited. "We thought we bowled full early doors, but there wasn't a lot of swing, then we pulled it back too far. "But the game is still alive. We will come back tomorrow, fight to get the four wickets and then hopefully bat really well. "We assess selection all the time. We make mistakes, and we might have made a mistake in this game. We picked a side that we thought would get 20 wickets and that still could happen." Left the part about selection highlighted, how much input would the coaches have in reality? Flower always strikes me as being very much the main man, don't know if he would pay that much attention to the others. Its easy for a bowler to get carried away on a wicket with bounce like that no matter what the coaches and captain are barking at them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuctifano Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 England picked 3 giants to contest their third seamer spot and it's quite telling that on the fastest bounciest pitch in tset cricket that they haven't picked any. Tremlett has lost his pace, Finn has just lost it full stop and Rankin hasn't been able to prove himself better than either of those two. Even last summer when England won, they weren't very good at polishing off the tail (Agar etc) and the Aussies bringing Johnson back means they bat properly down to number 10. I can't see this going any way other than Aus getting 400-450 and England getting clattered for about 250 max. Be nice if they could knuckle down and make a game of it, at least keep the Ashes alive with a draw. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 England picked 3 giants to contest their third seamer spot and it's quite telling that on the fastest bounciest pitch in tset cricket that they haven't picked any. Tremlett has lost his pace, Finn has just lost it full stop and Rankin hasn't been able to prove himself better than either of those two. Even last summer when England won, they weren't very good at polishing off the tail (Agar etc) and the Aussies bringing Johnson back means they bat properly down to number 10. I can't see this going any way other than Aus getting 400-450 and England getting clattered for about 250 max. Be nice if they could knuckle down and make a game of it, at least keep the Ashes alive with a draw. I fear for Finn now. I think he is a good strike bowler but they have fucked around with his run up and action in the same way they did with Jimmy when he was a youngster. He might never recover as his action is "natural". He has genuine pace and he is able to get wickets at test level. He should be persisted with although I can just about understand the decision to leave him out on form. He's been ruined. Tremlett is past his peak and the injury has robbed him of a yard of pace, which in Australian conditions was his best asset allied to the fact he is a big lad and extracts bounce. Broad didnt bowl well today but has been generally good so he is allowed an off day but Anderson has nothing without the ability to swing it or extract movement, none of which has happened on any of these roads to date. He has enough control to try and build pressure right enough, as does Broad and Bresnan, but the attack lacks any penetration when Broad is off it. Stokes is a newbie and I liked what he did in his first test but he is going to be up and down and this is all new to him, the rest dont have that excuse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarley Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Matt Prior said to Smith that "he was one game away from being dropped." Pot, kettle and black springs to mind. Sledging, doing it wrong! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Michael Clarke rehydrates quicker than David Warner, there's a fact I never thought I'd read. Also it's currently 35°C in Perth. Lovely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booitsme7 Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Johnson out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booitsme7 Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Smith goes for 111 from an England review. 338-8 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 easier said than done, but this is how England should've been bowling with the new cherry yesterday. Still think they'll struggle to match the Aussies score. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 I don't think the Aussie's will be too unhappy with this, the full day to bowl at England in 38°C heat, on a wicket that is looking good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booitsme7 Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 385 all out and now lets see what England can do with the bat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berwick-the-unbeatable Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 All out 385. Could have been over a lot earlier but for some ridiculous field placements, but it should certainly be interesting now. Hot as f**k, pitch getting faster and cracking with the likes of Johnson having the potential to tear through the line-up. Then you've got a fairly out of touch England batting line-up. Bolstered by Bresnan's batting ability, as well as KP and Prior's fairly decent 2nd innings, hopefully there won't be any ridiculous collapses. Cook to finally turn up again on his 100th test? KP and Prior to continue to bat themselves into good nick? Bell to continue his form? Carberry and Root to continue showing promise? Probably not, right enough, but for some reason I feel fairly positive 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berwick-the-unbeatable Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Encouraging start, first 6 overs, no loss, 24 runs. Couple of close ones but encouraging signs - Johnson being played well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Peter Siddel fair has old KP's number, 10 times he's got him now. England 146-4. I expect all out for 250 max when Mitch gets in about the middle order and tail. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksburnDandy Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Peter Siddel fair has old KP's number, 10 times he's got him now. England 146-4. I expect all out for 250 max when Mitch gets in about the middle order and tail. Aye, you're bang on Lex. KP just doesn't seem to be able to play Siddle, almost as if he relaxed too much after Mitch's spell, it wasn't his first horror shot of the Siddle spell. Fully expect a collapse shortly, Bell and Stokes must dig in for the rest of the day 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarley Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Peter Siddle loves KP! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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