RH33 Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Nizzy, is your head sore yet from banging it against a wall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizzy Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 He actually did. Did you read that??!! Nizzy, is your head sore yet from banging it against a wall? It's getting there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 If you can't get past the fact that Gill was born in Edinburgh, is middle class and was educated in England then it is you that's the snob. I think education and being born into affluence is a great thing, I have no problem with that. I do however take acception when someone is privileged enough to be in this situation they should appreciate it and not take every opportunity to poke fun at people less well off than themselves. I have mainly experienced this type of snobbery from Edinburgh people who quite clearly have never lived in Glasgow or even been to places on their own doorsteps like Niddrie or Wester Hailes. Maybe if he was forced to live there for a month instead of flying around the world criticising the finest food for a living he might become less conceited and supercilious. I'm sorry but I really have no time for people like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djn Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Nizzy, is your head sore yet from banging it against a wall? I'd love to see Nizzy's reaction to this thread, there's some priceless quotes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Snuffleupagus Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 It what he comes across by insulting a person on an internet forum for no apparent reason.Nizzy is the one trying to act like a big man with a keyboard. Oh Good God! Please back away from the keyboard now. You're a danger! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djn Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 I think education and being born into affluence is a great thing, I have no problem with that.I do however take acception when someone is privileged enough to be in this situation they should appreciate it and not take every opportunity to poke fun at people less well off than themselves. I have mainly experienced this type of snobbery from Edinburgh people who quite clearly have never lived in Glasgow or even been to places on their own doorsteps like Niddrie or Wester Hailes. Maybe if he was forced to live there for a month instead of flying around the world criticising the finest food for a living he might become less conceited and supercilious. I'm sorry but I really have no time for people like him. He's not poking at them (for the sake of it), he's using a couple of metaphors to illustrate a political point (that Supras seems to have missed)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 It is true these people live in poor conditions for this country, however they are not in poverty in my opinion, the standard of their life is greater than the majority of people on earth. Supras, congratulations on missing the point of the article by one of the biggest margins ever witnessed on p&b. Secondly, have you seen where the life expectancy sits in the worldwide average? Thirdly, you were asked by The Gray Ghost and Nizzy to produce stats to show that things had got better for the East End of Glasgow since 1997. So far, we have seen the evidence of the lowered life expectancy, and you countered this by saying that hard drug usage had gone up. Again, thats not really suggesting an improvement. Put up or shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizzy Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 I'd love to see Nizzy's reaction to this thread, there's some priceless quotes.... Imagine Supras is the piece of tape in this video, but instead of trying to coax a piece, I'm trying to get him to come around to my way of thinking and you're there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seamus Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 FFS is this still going on.The guy who wrote the article is generalising a full community by what he seen driving through as are posters. I agree with the poster who stated that the north of the city is more deprived the East End has had a lot of money invested in it and it will take time for the benefits to appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 His point seems to be that The Labour Party will probably win and he is bitter because he is a Tory. He seems to think that the people of Shettleston are incapable of deciding who they should vote for, I agree on that Labour will win as some people still think that they are a socialist party. I don't see what alternative they have? SNP wouldn't help them either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 He's not poking at them (for the sake of it), he's using a couple of metaphors to illustrate a political point (that Supras seems to have missed)... This is the first time anyone have mentioned a metaphor, and many people on this thread think he insulting the people of shettleston out of spite, not just myself. FFS is this still going on.The guy who wrote the article is generalising a full community by what he seen driving through as are posters.I agree with the poster who stated that the north of the city is more deprived the East End has had a lot of money invested in it and it will take time for the benefits to appear. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djn Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 FFS is this still going on.The guy who wrote the article is generalising a full community by what he seen driving through as are posters.I agree with the poster who stated that the north of the city is more deprived the East End has had a lot of money invested in it and it will take time for the benefits to appear. We're not criticising the people of Shettleston based on a snapshot glance from a car window. We're pointing out that life expectancy/ wealth etc have declined under years of Labour ruling them locally (and a decade of Labour in Westminster). That's not anti- Shettleston, it's criticising the people who've let this happen... His point seems to be that The Labour Party will probably win and he is bitter because he is a Tory.He seems to think that the people of Shettleston are incapable of deciding who they should vote for, I agree on that Labour will win as some people still think that they are a socialist party. I don't see what alternative they have? SNP wouldn't help them either. Bearing in mind that Shettleston is getting poorer, with lower life expectancy, more of a drug problem etc after a decade of Labour, why should the people vote for them at the byelection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djn Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 This is the first time anyone have mentioned a metaphor, and many people on this thread think he insulting the people of shettleston out of spite, not just myself. The "candle wax face" reference and the part about really low clouds/ lack of sunshine etc are clearly metaphors - do you honestly think he thought they LITERALLY had candle wax on their face? Exactly We're not generalising people based on a car ride, we're talking about Government statistics that show life expectancy etc are poorer now than they were in 1997. Or maybe the Government takes their life expectancy statistics from a brief drive through places? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 You find me an example of someone in Shettleston who lives without a adeuqate flooring. I'm not in Shettleston, but I have no flooring in my stair and upstairs landing at the moment.............I'm poverty striken........ I must look up the World Bank, WHO and UN statistics and find the 'adequate flooring' guide to poverty. Intrestingly we looked at the East End in both Sociology in regards to the falling age expectancy, birth rate etc and also in Politics in regards to enterenched voting behaviours in Semester one. But I feel taking the thread in such a direction may spoil it........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reina Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 I'm not in Shettleston, but I have no flooring in my stair and upstairs landing at the moment.............I'm poverty striken........I must look up the World Bank, WHO and UN statistics and find the 'adequate flooring' guide to poverty. Intrestingly we looked at the East End in both Sociology in regards to the falling age expectancy, birth rate etc and also in Politics in regards to enterenched voting behaviours in Semester one. But I feel taking the thread in such a direction may spoil it........ Bloody hell woman, don't go all political on us!!! Intelligence will be the end of this thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Bearing in mind that Shettleston is getting poorer, with lower life expectancy, more of a drug problem etc after a decade of Labour, why should the people vote for them at the byelection? At least Labour are throwing money at the NHS, the Tories would make it worse. So what alternative do they have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizzy Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 At least Labour are throwing money at the NHS, the Tories would make it worse. We've been over this already. Simply throwing money at a problem won't make it disappear. Until it adopts a fresh and clearly thought out strategy, Labour is failing the constituants of the areas such as the east end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 At least Labour are throwing money at the NHS, the Tories would make it worse.So what alternative do they have? Perhaps throwing public money at the NHS, with the attendent government interference, controls and targets that that brings, isn't the best way to allieviate poverty? If you look at the universally accepted figures then spending on 'schoolsnhospitals' has risen massively in the last ten years. The issue is that the massive rise in spending hasn't had a commensurate impact on the problems it is supposed to address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seamus Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 We're not criticising the people of Shettleston based on a snapshot glance from a car window. We're pointing out that life expectancy/ wealth etc have declined under years of Labour ruling them locally (and a decade of Labour in Westminster). That's not anti- Shettleston, it's criticising the people who've let this happen... Who are the we you refer to? So its the peoples fault that they have been shafted by the Labour government?There has been a lot of investment by Labour in the east end but it will take time to see the benefits.There are many factors that contribute to the life expectancy figure and at least labour tried to do something about them.Many Community Groups outwith the east end will tell you that if your from there you will get access to funding that you would not get in other parts of the city. They were shafted by the Tories before Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss..schlecht Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 I've got to say I think this 'it's all Labours fault' is complete bullshit. I'm not defending the Labour party here but I think there comes a point when people have to take responsibility for their own actions. Why did you move Niz? Possibly to better your circumstances? If people want to improve their life, their health, their wealth ( as opposed to the Benefits way of life) surely it is in their own hands? You only have to look at Easterhouse. Millions of pounds were thrown at it to improve the housing stock and general area and already some parts of it are looking like complete shitholes again. That's not the fault of the Government or local council. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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