honestly united Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 I think Toony is wanting to play a faster offloading game rather than the rumble it up the middle game, but not withstanding we are still missing some ball carriers. Fagerson jr is probably the best option coming through at the moment for the back row. On Kinghorn, im suprised he wasn't included in the squad, as I had assumed the only reason he didnt go in June was so he could play in the u20 WC. Cracking going forward, still a bit suspect in defence, but still a young lad. Also a bit worried about what sort of squad Rennie will be left with for the Leinster match, given Scotland will get preference I am assuming. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Denton can't be considered solely due to his current hair cut. Both him n Strauss seem to in decent nick but Denton always has handling issues. Not sure about du preez as I don't think he's quick enough . real shame Bradbury had to be committed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddfg Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Forgot about his year with Glasgow Hardly surprising 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 South Africa have been named as the preferred option for the 2023 RWC ahead of Novembers vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 South Africa have been named as the preferred option for the 2023 RWC ahead of Novembers vote. I see Ireland are last pre 15th Nov vote. That's a shame because I'd prefer it in Ireland tbh. Think they have come a far way since they let Scotland down badly in the joint euros bid... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 (edited) I'd be fascinated to see how that was scored . They've concluded that France and Ireland have similar Organisation & Scheduling, but the South Africans are well ahead. They've concluded France and Ireland have similar Venues & Cities, but the South Africans are well ahead. They've concluded France and Ireland have similar Infrastructure, but South Africa are well ahead. Some of that you can understand in terms of Ireland - their cities and towns are smaller, and some of the stadiums are more basic - but how can the South Africans be walloping the French? France surely have world-class infrastructure, numerous large cities and lots of modern stadiums. Few countries in the world with better? They also successfully hosted RWC 2007 and have just hosted Euro 2016 in football... meanwhile South Africa just had the Commonwealth Games taken-off them as it was turning into a shambles. Edited October 31, 2017 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Didn't Scotland bid? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Didn't Scotland bid? Nope. Just France, SA and Ireland. Murryfield might have got 1 game under an Irish bid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer doon south Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Didn't Scotland bid? What stadiums would be used. Murrayfield obviously but pittodrie hampden ibrox and parkhead would need converting big match ups as for smaller games rugby park tynecastle and maybe Easter road/tannadice. Actually can someone answer this properly what Scotland would need to do to host the RWC 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 What stadiums would be used. Murrayfield obviously but pittodrie hampden ibrox and parkhead would need converting big match ups as for smaller games rugby park tynecastle and maybe Easter road/tannadice. Actually can someone answer this properly what Scotland would need to do to host the RWC No way we could be sole hosts of a rwc these days. Irb are after £s so want biggest capacity stadia possible hence England used almost all football grounds for last one. Most football pitches struggle for size (in goal area is tiny if you look back at most venues for rwc). Ironically given current thread about Hampden it can be used for rugby and has been in past. Ibrox has hosted 7s obviously and parkhead would also be big enough. That's only four stadia. We could probably co host with someone like Wales but that's about it. No guarantee it would be a money spinner either given how greedy irb are. Think we are hosting u20 rwc this year which is more manageable m women's rwc would be within our capabilities too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer doon south Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 No way we could be sole hosts of a rwc these days. Irb are after £s so want biggest capacity stadia possible hence England used almost all football grounds for last one. Most football pitches struggle for size (in goal area is tiny if you look back at most venues for rwc). Ironically given current thread about Hampden it can be used for rugby and has been in past. Ibrox has hosted 7s obviously and parkhead would also be big enough. That's only four stadia. We could probably co host with someone like Wales but that's about it. No guarantee it would be a money spinner either given how greedy irb are. Think we are hosting u20 rwc this year which is more manageable m women's rwc would be within our capabilities too. In the last few RWC' s have the stadiums been filled? If Scotland and Wales did a joint bid they can only add 3-5 worthy stadia. Parc y scarlets, Cardiff city, liberty, Cardiff arms and of course principality. Joint bid is probably only option for men's game. Out of interest how many suitable stadia does Ireland have? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 In the last few RWC' s have the stadiums been filled? If Scotland and Wales did a joint bid they can only add 3-5 worthy stadia. Parc y scarlets, Cardiff city, liberty, Cardiff arms and of course principality. Joint bid is probably only option for men's game. Out of interest how many suitable stadia does Ireland have? Last one certainly had a lot of full houses which is why rwc were so keen. Someone on here a while back said Ireland have a few forty k plus stadia but tbh I only know about croke n aviva. Presume the others are Gaelic footy or hurling 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Out of interest how many suitable stadia does Ireland have? Aviva, croke park, corks new gaa ground. Other big gaa grounds exist eg semple stadium(tipperary) and gaelic grounds (limerick) but would need some serious upgrade. Not sure anything suitable in NI.. (Windsor park?) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Surely the football grounds plus Murrayfield would be sufficient for a Scottish bid? According to Wiki three of the Japanese host stadia have capacities below 25,000. If we give some games to the other Home Nations and France, like Wales did when they hosted, it wouldn't take too much effort to do it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 One of the host venues in 1999 had a smaller capacity than Broadwood! Scotland could host this easily!I don't think France should host as they already have The Olympics and hosted the Euros pretty recently. Hopefully South Africa get it, so they don't give it to one of the silly Southern Hemisphere countries with stupid timezones in 2027. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestly united Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 from the last world cup, i believe every game was a sell out in terms of ticket sales (in fact about 75% of matches sold out at the initial ballot about a year before the WC started) In England the majority were 30k+ stadia and mainly football stadiums, with only a few smaller games going to traditional rugby grounds in Exeter and Gloucester to look like they were spreading it around. There was a huge uproar that the walkers stadium in Leicester was being used rather than Welford road as it had a few thousand more seats. From memory, Twickenham, Olympic Stadium, Elland Road, St James park, Villa Park, Walkers, Mk Dons and Brighton, Exeter and Gloucester and the Millenium in Cardiff, and Manchester (i think City's ground) and maybe wembley also. I have no idea how SA comes above France other than SA still has loads of white elephant stadia built for Rugby WC and Football WC in the 90's and someone wants to help pay them off 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestly united Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 I would have preferred France for a bit of a jolly to watch the games in 2023, so hopefully Europe get 2027, although just because the recommendation is SA doesn't mean they will get it. You probably need 8 stadium's to host, although the struggle would be if you have any football stadia its in the middle of the season so how do you free them up for 4 weeks. A possibility would be to host a group in Glasgow, one in Edinburgh / Newcastle, one in Ireland and one in Wales It would probably be doable with Murrayfield / St James'/ Pittodrie, Hampden / Ibrox / Parkhead (alternating weekends) Scotstoun for smaller games and Rugby Park, Aviva / Croke / Kingspan and Millenium / Scarlets / Bristol QF in Murrayfield, Hampden, Millennium and Aviva, SF Hampden and Murrayfield, final Murrayfield Spreads the games about the UK, without needing to be London-centric 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 39 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Surely the football grounds plus Murrayfield would be sufficient for a Scottish bid? According to Wiki three of the Japanese host stadia have capacities below 25,000. If we give some games to the other Home Nations and France, like Wales did when they hosted, it wouldn't take too much effort to do it. We're not that far behind the capacities that were available in New Zealand for their World Cup but I think we'd need something bigger Sitting on the other side of the planet from England Dunedin's 30,000 stadium was more than big enough for the 20,00 that watched England beat Georgia in 2011 but Pittodrie or Rugby Park would be too small to host that fixture 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 One of the host venues in 1999 had a smaller capacity than Broadwood! Scotland could host this easily!I don't think France should host as they already have The Olympics and hosted the Euros pretty recently. Hopefully South Africa get it, so they don't give it to one of the silly Southern Hemisphere countries with stupid timezones in 2027. No way will irb want venues as small as 99 rwc had. They are all about the £s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Ibrox had to get dispensation for the CG 7s because the pitch wasn't long enough to accomodate the required length of pitch+deadball area. I'm not sure they'd allow that for the RWC though. In any case, Scotland would never bid. We don't have the stadia or the finances to fund it in the initial stages. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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