Mark Connolly Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Robbed blind 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Carl Cort's Hamstring Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 That was great fun but that was an outrageous refereeing performance. How can you give away penalty after penalty 5 metres out with no sanction? Wales were offside at basically every ruck in the final 6 minutes and were constantly time wasting but nothing happens. Must be sickening for Fiji. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Eednud Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 NZ poll who will win the RWC after week 1? https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby-world-cup-2023/300968103/rugby-world-cup-week-1-poll-who-will-win-the-tournament 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestly united Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) The lineout has been our biggest issue for years and we have done nothing to improve it. I get that the SA 2nd rows are big lumps so trying to go to the tail is an option normally, however with a slippery ball due to the heat - and just as big a lump in Grey, just keep it simple and win the ball. Its the lineout that cost us last time vs SA, when 5 points down and we had a 5m lineout we lost 2 on the bounce leading to a SA penalty in our half and we are 2 scores down. I thought defensively we were good, but off it in attack, due to SA's good defence. To often we were slow to the breakdown allowing SA to disrupt. On the rush defence, I dont remember ever seeing runners off of Finn, everyone was much wider - it was mentioned that we had a plan to deal with the rush defence then apart from the one break we looked clueless against it. To be positive, at least we didnt have Carley reffing our game, how he is allowed to ref internationals is beyond me. TMO was worse than Gardner. I have some smypathy for refs as the TMO's are butting in showing incidents in slow mo (or not as the case may be) that look innocuous at hte time and forcing ref's to make decisions based on 'player safety'. We lost to SA (currently the 2nd best team in the world) who have just dismantled NZ and not some dross like England or Wales, and not by a lot. Its fine tuning that is required and we have 4 weeks to get the plan right to beat Ireland. Im not saying we will, and have a track record of disappointing but there is hope, although that hope is probably resting more on a raft of red cards and injuries for Ireland over the next few weeks more than us being able to have a functioning lineout Edited September 11, 2023 by honestly united 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 18 hours ago, Gianfranco said: I’m utterly deflated after that one. I mean there are positives. We stayed in the game and I think we were defensively fine. Both tries were ruthless. The scrum also did better than I thought it would tie the majority of the match. We just didn’t have enough in attack. Each time we had an opportunity it lasted seconds rather than minutes. Losing 5 or however many it was attacking line outs was criminal. Just as you think that particular Achilles heel is fixed. It’s been a while since we haven’t scored a try in a match. It was always going to be a tough ask for us to go through but at least we didn’t lose a bonus point. Do we hope for Ireland to beat SA with a bonus point so they’re already through when we play them? Aye that sums it up well for me. I think we need an extreme one way or the other, either Ireland get a bonus point win, or they get absolutely battered and they're rocking upto the game against us with players in stookies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHF-23 Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 3 hours ago, honestly united said: The lineout has been our biggest issue for years and we have done nothing to improve it. I get that the SA 2nd rows are big lumps so trying to go to the tail is an option normally, however with a slippery ball due to the heat - and just as big a lump in Grey, just keep it simple and win the ball. Its the lineout that cost us last time vs SA, when 5 points down and we had a 5m lineout we lost 2 on the bounce leading to a SA penalty in our half and we are 2 scores down. I thought defensively we were good, but off it in attack, due to SA's good defence. To often we were slow to the breakdown allowing SA to disrupt. On the rush defence, I dont remember ever seeing runners off of Finn, everyone was much wider - it was mentioned that we had a plan to deal with the rush defence then apart from the one break we looked clueless against it. To be positive, at least we didnt have Carley reffing our game, how he is allowed to ref internationals is beyond me. TMO was worse than Gardner. I have some smypathy for refs as the TMO's are butting in showing incidents in slow mo (or not as the case may be) that look innocuous at hte time and forcing ref's to make decisions based on 'player safety'. We lost to SA (currently the 2nd best team in the world) who have just dismantled NZ and not some dross like England or Wales, and not by a lot. Its fine tuning that is required and we have 4 weeks to get the plan right to beat Ireland. Im not saying we will, and have a track record of disappointing but there is hope, although that hope is probably resting more on a raft of red cards and injuries for Ireland over the next few weeks more than us being able to have a functioning lineout Yeah it's years now under Dalziel where the lineout has looked very creaky in these high pressure matches. The players have to take a lot of it as there's some awful execution amongst those misses but there were 5 options for jumpers yesterday and neither Turner or Cherry are bad throwers - it has to be something deeper IMO. I think we get out-thought at the lineout pretty regularly, which is all in preparation. When you're not even trying, and then leaving behind, someone like Henderson who regularly runs the lineout for a team like Leicester you're asking for trouble, bringing Richie Gray back in has been a good move but it's a sticking plaster over it really. We need our lineout to work for our attack to go and too often against SA, Ireland et al it just falls to bits. All that hard work to match them physically in the loose and get them thinking in the scrums, and then a huge psychological loss to just be turning it over at your own lineout again and again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snobot Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 21 minutes ago, GHF-23 said: Yeah it's years now under Dalziel where the lineout has looked very creaky in these high pressure matches. The players have to take a lot of it as there's some awful execution amongst those misses but there were 5 options for jumpers yesterday and neither Turner or Cherry are bad throwers - it has to be something deeper IMO. I think we get out-thought at the lineout pretty regularly, which is all in preparation. When you're not even trying, and then leaving behind, someone like Henderson who regularly runs the lineout for a team like Leicester you're asking for trouble, bringing Richie Gray back in has been a good move but it's a sticking plaster over it really. We need our lineout to work for our attack to go and too often against SA, Ireland et al it just falls to bits. All that hard work to match them physically in the loose and get them thinking in the scrums, and then a huge psychological loss to just be turning it over at your own lineout again and again. And the one time we did something innovative (long ball over top to Sione) we should have scored. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHF-23 Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Snobot said: And the one time we did something innovative (long ball over top to Sione) we should have scored. Yeah I get that can work but I think it's such a psychological problem now that we need to just take our first 4/5 lineouts and hit the first man - set a reasonable maul and then play from there. Then we can get into the situations we were trying yesterday where you lob over the top or have 5 guys in motion in the line. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignoramus Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 For all of the pearl clutching around Rassie’s conduct with referees, it has worked absolutely perfectly because referees are shit scared to give anything against them and the citing authorities dare not go anywhere near them. Could see Curry’s being overturned now because there will be a storm with the English press if not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 Looked back at yesterday's game and specifically the SA rush defence. They were constantly offside (but not given) - I just wonder if a different tactic (and done early in the game), like a little chip kick over, would have been more effective? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Ignoramus said: For all of the pearl clutching around Rassie’s conduct with referees, it has worked absolutely perfectly because referees are shit scared to give anything against them and the citing authorities dare not go anywhere near them. Could see Curry’s being overturned now because there will be a storm with the English press if not. It's getting embarrassing at times - it's hard enough to play South Africa on a level playing field as it is. I know they say "play to the referee" but it's difficult when the rules are not consistently applied to both teams. That's not just a comment on yesterday's match - it seems a common theme, especially if you have them playing a NH team and it's a SH referee. Edited September 11, 2023 by DeeTillEhDeh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 On 11/09/2023 at 17:24, Ignoramus said: For all of the pearl clutching around Rassie’s conduct with referees, it has worked absolutely perfectly because referees are shit scared to give anything against them and the citing authorities dare not go anywhere near them. Could see Curry’s being overturned now because there will be a storm with the English press if not. Just to hammer home the inconsistency, Curry got a 3 game ban which was reduced to 2 as he will attend tackle school. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAD Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 The Kreil thing is just another classic example of who you are and who you play for being the major deciding factor when it comes to discipline in rugby. If it had been the other way round Jack Dempsey would have been sent off and would currently be joining Tom Curry at tackle school. Truth is, for all the whinging and whining on here, the approach South Africa, Wales, Ireland and New Zealand take to referees is the one that works. When a ref shafts them they go after them. They don't sit like good wee boys and insist "you can't keep blaming referees", they do something about it. The result is they get treated differently to everyone else, they get decisions other teams don't get and they almost always get the good outcome in a 50/50. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 3 hours ago, GAD said: The Kreil thing is just another classic example of who you are and who you play for being the major deciding factor when it comes to discipline in rugby. If it had been the other way round Jack Dempsey would have been sent off and would currently be joining Tom Curry at tackle school. Truth is, for all the whinging and whining on here, the approach South Africa, Wales, Ireland and New Zealand take to referees is the one that works. When a ref shafts them they go after them. They don't sit like good wee boys and insist "you can't keep blaming referees", they do something about it. The result is they get treated differently to everyone else, they get decisions other teams don't get and they almost always get the good outcome in a 50/50. Why don’t we/all the other nations do the same? I’m not sure it’s possible for the other nations to address it properly on their own and it needs to be an issue on World Rugby’s agenda, but surely it should be getting called out more. There’s been reasonable uproar across the board about the Fiji game, but less so from anyone impartial about the Scotland one. Should we be making a bigger deal out of it and forcing the issue? To what extent is debatable, but it’s pretty clear that the refereeing isn’t consistent and equal between teams. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Dave Cherry out, Stuart McInally in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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