Israel And The Palestinians (now with added Iran/Lebanon)

[itzdrk]

14 minutes ago, TommyDickFingers said:

Here is what I replied to with a tweet that suggests don't believe everything you read to RG and the legality of it was mentioned.

You then posted a video of what appears to be WP.

I asked why and what relevance was the vid to what we were discussing.

"No relevance" would have sufficed.

Hope that helps.

 

I can't help you not be stupid. 

[PossilYM]

Turning it back over to Ukraine v Russia.

Will watch the second half of Palestine v Isrsel tomorrow.

[RandomGuy.]

7 hours ago, welshbairn said:

Looks like that's from Ukraine. I'm going to give Twitter a break, it's full of lies, even more so than usual.

 

Aye its brutal. Even when you try and check somethings right by making sure its widely reported (and the above video i got wrong is being reported by literally hundreds of accounts) you still find out its bollocks.

Sooner something replaces Twitter the better, especially for situations like this.

[Zetterlund]

Monetising twitter content creators has absolutely ruined it. So many engagement farming accounts with hundreds of thousands of followers pumping out BREAKING bullshit. 

[Billy Jean King]

9 hours ago, oneteaminglasgow said:

I’d be deeply, deeply suspicious of anyone believing the beheading babies stuff. 

Hasn't stopped the UK right wing gutter press launching it across today's front pages, true or not hence their readers now take it as fact.

[101]

20 hours ago, MazzyStar said:

 

An elected official. 

Andy would be better focusing on the present threat to American Jews which is anti-Semites with unregulated access to weapons because of his countries obsession with guns.

Pittsburgh and Colleyville synagogue attacks weren't by Hamas fighters. But I guess it's easier to attack Biden and Arabs than realise his politics is the problem.

[carpetmonster]

20 minutes ago, 101 said:

Andy would be better focusing on the present threat to American Jews which is anti-Semites with unregulated access to weapons because of his countries obsession with guns.

Pittsburgh and Colleyville synagogue attacks weren't by Hamas fighters. But I guess it's easier to attack Biden and Arabs than realise his politics is the problem.

To be fair to Andy, he's good pals with Paul Gosar and voted to refuse the House's Anti-Semitism and Bigotry Resolution, so I don't think he gives a flying shite about the Jews either; if he's worried about anyone it's likely just himself and his donors. 

[Wee-Bey]

The insanity continues.

[oneteaminglasgow]

18 minutes ago, Ziggy Sobotka said:

The insanity continues.

I wonder* if David Baddiel and Rachel Riley will be asked to comment on the IDF indiscriminately bombing civilian areas.

 

 

*obviously, I don’t really.

[welshbairn]

For all the mentions of Palestinian atrocities against civilians, they're keeping pretty quiet about the number of Israeli military bases attacked and overrun, at least 4. Short piece about how Hamas managed to breach the border without being detected for so long.

How Israel’s Feared Security Services Failed to Stop Hamas’s Attack

 

[Granny Danger]

2 hours ago, 101 said:

Andy would be better focusing on the present threat to American Jews which is anti-Semites with unregulated access to weapons because of his countries obsession with guns.

Pittsburgh and Colleyville synagogue attacks weren't by Hamas fighters. But I guess it's easier to attack Biden and Arabs than realise his politics is the problem.

Yeah, right wing republicans claiming to be the ones fighting against anti-Semitism is one hell of a stretch.

[welshbairn]

4 hours ago, RandomGuy. said:

Aye its brutal. Even when you try and check somethings right by making sure its widely reported (and the above video i got wrong is being reported by literally hundreds of accounts) you still find out its bollocks.

Sooner something replaces Twitter the better, especially for situations like this.

Musk’s X allows misinformation about Hamas’ war on Israel to proliferate Verified X Premium subscribers — some endorsed by platform owner Elon Musk — earned millions of views on posts with misleading videos, a doctored photo, and other misinformation

[AMMjag]

It doesn't really matter what the social media platform is or what eccentric billionaire owns it. It's an individual's responsibility to differentiate between a credible primary source and words/pictures on a screen.

[MacDuffman]

Saw something last night on Youtube with Kay Burley harassing 4 Labour Politicians on their opinion on David Lammy being in the same room as the Palestinian Ambassador to the UK. Repeatedly saying he had basically said ‘the Israelis had it coming’. What he actually said in an interview was ‘they knew it was coming’. Totally different but I’d have thought after the first 2, Labour would have looked into what was actually said & pulled her up about it.

[Wee-Bey]

44 minutes ago, MacDuffman said:

Saw something last night on Youtube with Kay Burley harassing 4 Labour Politicians on their opinion on David Lammy being in the same room as the Palestinian Ambassador to the UK. Repeatedly saying he had basically said ‘the Israelis had it coming’. What he actually said in an interview was ‘they knew it was coming’. Totally different but I’d have thought after the first 2, Labour would have looked into what was actually said & pulled her up about it.

 

 

 

[LongTimeLurker]

1 hour ago, AMMjag said:

It doesn't really matter what the social media platform is or what eccentric billionaire owns it. It's an individual's responsibility to differentiate between a credible primary source and words/pictures on a screen.

What happens when the alleged credible primary sources are telling you that there are WMDs in Iraq or that the president's head was seen to move violently forward? The internet is a useful safety mechanism for making sure that the powers that be are not also able to misinform unchallenged. The problem with Twitter right now is that Elon Musk wasn't happy that they had been doing things like actively fact-checking Donald Trump, but eliminating the staff that used to do that sort of thing also seems to have stopped accounts that are spreading sensationalist misinformation simply to generate views from being suspended. Think that eventually is going to come back to haunt him, and a lot more people will start looking for an alternative that works better.

Edited October 11, 2023 by LongTimeLurker

[dirty dingus]

I'm out the country so just seeing bits and pieces on twitter till I found this. Looks pretty much flattened in Gaza.

[coprolite]

14 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

What happens when the alleged credible primary sources are telling you that there are WMDs in Iraq or that the president's head was seen to move violently forward? The internet is a useful safety mechanism for making sure that the powers that be are not also able to misinform unchallenged. The problem with Twitter right now is that Elon Musk wasn't happy that they had been doing things like actively fact-checking Donald Trump, but eliminating the staff that used to do that sort of thing also seems to have stopped accounts that are spreading sensationalist misinformation simply to generate views from being suspended. Think that eventually is going to come back to haunt him, and a lot of more people will start looking for an alternative that works better.

Not convinced that Jack Dorsey’s approved version of reality was in principle any more reliable or incorruptible than any other commercial operation. 

[Michael W]

31 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

What happens when the alleged credible primary sources are telling you that there are WMDs in Iraq or that the president's head was seen to move violently forward? The internet is a useful safety mechanism for making sure that the powers that be are not also able to misinform unchallenged. The problem with Twitter right now is that Elon Musk wasn't happy that they had been doing things like actively fact-checking Donald Trump, but eliminating the staff that used to do that sort of thing also seems to have stopped accounts that are spreading sensationalist misinformation simply to generate views from being suspended. Think that eventually is going to come back to haunt him, and a lot more people will start looking for an alternative that works better.

There is also no end of people tweeting fabricated nonsense under the guise of "LOOK WHAT THEY'RE NOT REPORTING". And now with incentives to do so if you're a loser that wants to pay for Twitter. 

Edited October 11, 2023 by Michael W

[Florentine_Pogen]

On “alternative facts”:

“The frightening thing, he reflected for the ten thousandth time as he forced his shoulders painfully backward (with hands on hips, they were gyrating their bodies from the waist, an exercise that was supposed to be good for the back muscles)—the frightening thing was that it might all be true. If the Party could thrust its hand into the past and say of this or that event, IT NEVER HAPPENED—that, surely, was more terrifying than mere torture and death?”

“The Party said that Oceania had never been in alliance with Eurasia. He, Winston Smith, knew that Oceania had been in alliance with Eurasia as short a time as four years ago. But where did that knowledge exist? Only in his own consciousness, which in any case must soon be annihilated. And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth. ‘Who controls the past,’ ran the Party slogan, ‘controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.’ And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. ‘Reality control’, they called it: in Newspeak, ‘doublethink’.”

“To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself. That was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word ‘doublethink’ involved the use of doublethink.”

“Sometimes, indeed, you could put your finger on a definite lie. It was not true, for example, as was claimed in the Party history books, that the Party had invented aeroplanes. He remembered aeroplanes since his earliest childhood. But you could prove nothing. There was never any evidence.”

 

On giving up in the face of an endless mountain of lies:

“Often she was ready to accept the official mythology, simply because the difference between truth and falsehood did not seem important to her. She believed, for instance, having learnt it at school, that the Party had invented aeroplanes. (In his own schooldays, Winston remembered, in the late fifties, it was only the helicopter that the Party claimed to have invented; a dozen years later, when Julia was at school, it was already claiming the aeroplane; one generation more, and it would be claiming the steam engine.) And when he told her that aeroplanes had been in existence before he was born and long before the Revolution, the fact struck her as totally uninteresting. After all, what did it matter who had invented aeroplanes?
…
‘Who cares?’ she said impatiently. ‘It’s always one bloody war after another, and one knows the news is all lies anyway.’”

“In a way, the world-view of the Party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane. They simply swallowed everything, and what they swallowed did them no harm, because it left no residue behind, just as a grain of corn will pass undigested through the body of a bird.”

Edited October 11, 2023 by Florentine_Pogen