TxRover Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 The irony of an Israeli saying that “Israel needs to root out every last Hamas terrorist, like the vermin that they are” is lost on many people. Here’s a quote from Adolf…“Nature is cruel; therefore we are also entitled to be cruel. When I send the flower of German youth into the steel hail of the next war without feeling the slightest regret over the precious German blood that is being spilled, should I not also have the right to eliminate millions of an inferior race that multiplies like vermin?” Now, is the first quote really that much different than the second? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, TxRover said: The irony of an Israeli saying that “Israel needs to root out every last Hamas terrorist, like the vermin that they are” is lost on many people. Here’s a quote from Adolf…“Nature is cruel; therefore we are also entitled to be cruel. When I send the flower of German youth into the steel hail of the next war without feeling the slightest regret over the precious German blood that is being spilled, should I not also have the right to eliminate millions of an inferior race that multiplies like vermin?” Now, is the first quote really that much different than the second? "Hamas Terrorist" isn't a race. There might be a dog whistle there but it's not an unequivocal assertion of racial superiority. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanhourjoe Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 10 hours ago, 101 said: The latest attacks from Hamas against civilians is not legitimate though, now they are at war perfectly acceptable for them to be killing soldiers. Both sides of this conflict have for a very long time been killing civilians. Not so many civilians in Israel 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Analysis of the attack on the Nova festival. Current estimates are that 260 festival goers were killed with others kidnapped. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 In a lot of Muslim countries, the general population are a bit fed up of their governments using the Palestinian cause to help prop up their unpopular governments. A way to divert attention from their internal problems and lack of freedoms. Im not sure how real that clip is but it doesnt surprise me if its genuine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, Ewanandmoreagain said: The West Bank has not been involved ? The West Bank (or more accurately a series of overcrowded Native American reservation style enclaves contained therein) is still controlled by the PLO who are left leaning secularists, while Gaza is controlled by Sunni Islamists. In de facto terms it doesn't make much sense to refer to them as a single Palestinian entity any more even if in de jure terms that's how most of the world recognises their status complete with the 1948-1967 borders. If there's going to be a second front odds on it will be Hezbollah (Shiite Islamists) from southern Lebanon. Edited October 9, 2023 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: The West Bank (or more accurately a series of overcrowded Native American reservation style encalves contained therein) is still controlled by the PLO who are left leaning secularists, while Gaza is controlled by Sunni Islamists. In de facto terms it doesn't make much sense to refer to them as a single Palestinian entity any more even if in de jure terms that's how most of the world recognises their status complete with the 1948-1967 borders. If there's going to be a second front odds on it will be Hezbollah (Shiite Islamists) from southern Lebanon. Hezbollah cross border skirmish last night. The West Bank has been increasingly tense in the lead up to this with settler mobs attacking palestinian areas and killing a few of them, while the army stand back and only intervene to stop the Palestinians fighting back. Reports of increasing Hamas support there. Not saying Hamas are taking over or anything, but it's hardly a stable situation and i wouldn't bet on it staying contained. Bashar's probably bored now that the war's over. Might fancy a bit of a rammy over Golan heights. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) It's long been alleged that Israel helped Hamas to power in Gaza to diminish the voice of the more internationally respected Palestinian National Authority and reduce the pressure for a Palestinian state. Every rocket fired from Gaza was a message excusing Israel from negotiations, and they were so inaccurate they rarely hit anyone. This article looks like confirming it. https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ Edited October 9, 2023 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHF-23 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 17 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Very balanced report from MSNBC explaining Netanyahu’s role in the latest violence. https://www.msnbc.com/american-voices/watch/how-israel-s-far-right-government-fueled-tensions-with-hamas-194667077813 There was also a ten minute interview with a Palestinian representative on CNN last night which was very respectful and genuinely balanced. While obviously the US remains the biggest backers of Israel there's a very slow shift in acceptable public opinion over there, while anything other than "there is no context beyond the attack by Hamas, Israel has the right to defend herself, Israel should try not to blow up too many apartment blocks when they retaliate" will have you monstered out of public life in the UK. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Compare Israel's media to British media. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, GHF-23 said: There was also a ten minute interview with a Palestinian representative on CNN last night which was very respectful and genuinely balanced. While obviously the US remains the biggest backers of Israel there's a very slow shift in acceptable public opinion over there, while anything other than "there is no context beyond the attack by Hamas, Israel has the right to defend herself, Israel should try not to blow up too many apartment blocks when they retaliate" will have you monstered out of public life in the UK. Not going to pretend I’m an expert on the conflict or anything, but I have found the way the press have been following Jeremy Corbyn, an independent MP who stopped being leader of the opposition three years ago, and demanding that he condemn Hamas individually deeply weird. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Pack Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Irans Nuclear aspirations will be getting targeted soon again. The Israelis aren’t going to let Iran get that capability. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHF-23 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: Not going to pretend I’m an expert on the conflict or anything, but I have found the way the press have been following Jeremy Corbyn, an independent MP who stopped being leader of the opposition three years ago, and demanding that he condemn Hamas individually deeply weird. On one end there are a section of journalists who would genuinely very much like it if he got attacked or killed himself. On the other it's Labour conference so being able to associate Starmer with vile anti-Semite Jeremy Corbyn, or allow Starmer to distance himself from vile anti-Semite Jeremy Corbyn, depending on your newspaper's affiliation, is handy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 19 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: Not going to pretend I’m an expert on the conflict or anything, but I have found the way the press have been following Jeremy Corbyn, an independent MP who stopped being leader of the opposition three years ago, and demanding that he condemn Hamas individually deeply weird. 13 minutes ago, GHF-23 said: On one end there are a section of journalists who would genuinely very much like it if he got attacked or killed himself. On the other it's Labour conference so being able to associate Starmer with vile anti-Semite Jeremy Corbyn, or allow Starmer to distance himself from vile anti-Semite Jeremy Corbyn, depending on your newspaper's affiliation, is handy These people have been rewarded for their behaviour over the years, so have absolutely no reason to stop the hysterical, insulting, obvious bullshit now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Whats the EU position currently? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, ScotiaNostra said: Whats the EU position currently? Between the Atlantic and Russia 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Just now, coprolite said: Between the Atlantic and Russia no movement yet then 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, ScotiaNostra said: Whats the EU position currently? Supporting Israel’s “right to defend itself”, which essentially means allowing Israel to indiscriminately flatten large parts of one of the most densely populated places in the world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, ScotiaNostra said: Whats the EU position currently? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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