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3 minutes ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said:

Baddiel really should know that the Israeli government and Jews are not the same thing.

 

 

 

He says that when it suits him, like in that awful “documentary” he says he shouldn’t be expected to defend/criticise Israel just because he’s Jewish (which is true), but at the same time he takes criticism of Israel as criticism of Jewish people in general.

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1 hour ago, orfc said:

You can't say that mate. You know the rules on PLO & Bovril:

Hamas say something with no evidence: Obviously bang on

Israel say something with evidence: Obvious fabrication 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Donathan said:

Genuinely very disappointing to see the blatant anti-semitism on this thread. 

Red dotted the first one because PLO & Bovril is shite patter. 

Red dotted the second one because it is untrue. 

Hope this clears things up. 

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1 hour ago, orfc said:

You can't say that mate. You know the rules on PLO & Bovril:

Hamas say something with no evidence: Obviously bang on

Israel say something with evidence: Obvious fabrication 

 

 

Why is there a random 'f' in your username?

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54 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Genuinely disappointed to see you playing ‘criticism of Israel is anti-semitism’ card.  However not in the least surprised.

I will say that both this poster is at it and there have been a couple bits of anti-Semitism I have seen on this thread that I did not buy should have called out.  

E.g. someone likened Israel to Nazis

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32 minutes ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said:

Baddiel really should know that the Israeli government and Jews are not the same thing.

 

 

 

Aye, similar to the conflation of "Hamas" with "Palestinians" that has permeated the media for the last week..........

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How tf is it that difficult in 2023 to distinguish between:

Criticism of Israel gov, particularly Netanyahu and his extreme cronies like Smotrich =/= anti-Semitism or anti-zionism.

Support for Palestinians right to exist and it not be in a glorified prison in Gaza =/= pro-Hamas or pro-violence. 

Mon tae f**k. 

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Just now, Jeff Venom said:

How tf is it that difficult in 2023 to distinguish between:

Criticism of Israel gov, particularly Netanyahu and his extreme cronies like Smotrich =/= anti-Semitism or anti-zionism.

Support for Palestinians right to exist and it not be in a glorified prison in Gaza =/= pro-Hamas or pro-violence. 

Mon tae f**k. 

Israel and its supporters deliberately conflate the two in an attempt to deflect criticism of their governments actions.

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Just now, oneteaminglasgow said:

There was someone giving it ‘Jews control the media’ aye, but they were immediately called out by some of the most vocal critics of Israel on here. 

There must be two then as the one I'm referring to referenced the Nazis.

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1 minute ago, Jeff Venom said:

How tf is it that difficult in 2023 to distinguish between:

Criticism of Israel gov, particularly Netanyahu and his extreme cronies like Smotrich =/= anti-Semitism or anti-zionism.

Support for Palestinians right to exist and it not be in a glorified prison in Gaza =/= pro-Hamas or pro-violence. 

Mon tae f**k. 

This, the widely accepted IHRA definition and examples 

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Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.

 

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19 minutes ago, The Other Foot said:

I’m wholeheartedly against the Israeli onslaught, but lads…be fair…it’s looking more and more like it was a Hamas rocket that hit the hospital by accident. 
 

Partly with you here, I've dialled back from definitely Israel to something doesn't add up here, I don't know why Israel are pushing fake video evidence surrounding it and a faked recording.  It might only be a silly little website but few posts deleted or edited on twitter right when it happened too.  

Their other excuse of 'oh our bombs are much more barbaric than this' doesn't really wash either.  

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45 minutes ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said:

Baddiel really should know that the Israeli government and Jews are not the same thing.

 

 

 

Baddiel's lack of self awareness with that one is rather hilarious.

I have no doubt that if Baddiel lived in Israel he would be ripping the pish out the current Israeli government. As it is he's defending actions he simply wouldn't accept if the Tories were doing them.

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