Hedgecutter Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Donathan said: Not necessarily, no. If you wanted to criticise the Israeli government for its bin collection rota or the lunch menu at the Knesset canteen, that would not constitute anti-semitism. Criticising Israel for defending itself against local populations who post an existential threat is where the anti-semitism comes into play. People aren't criticising Israel for defending itself. They're critical of the (illegal) manner in which it's defending itself, which isn't an anti-Semitic act. It shouldn't be this difficult a concept. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wee-Bey Posted October 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2023 Donathan expertly walking that tightrope between bad faith trolling and a genuine moron. 28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Donathan said: You have been repeatedly anti-Israel on this very thread, among other posters. Anyone with an ounce of humanity is anti-Israel at the moment. That precludes you and your hero Starmer. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 33 minutes ago, Donathan said: Not necessarily, no. If you wanted to criticise the Israeli government for its bin collection rota or the lunch menu at the Knesset canteen, that would not constitute anti-semitism. Criticising Israel for defending itself against local populations who post an existential threat is where the anti-semitism comes into play. Ooooft, baws oot here, fair play but you are talking total dug shite . Not sure what you don't grasp here but again, criticism of the Israeli state is not anti semitic no matter what context you think you are displaying. Just for clarity, you do know what anti semitic actually means ??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 8 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Anyone with an ounce of humanity is anti-Israel at the moment. That precludes you and your hero Starmer. It's all about nuance. Palestine isn't Hamas. Israel isn't Netanyahu and his government. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 45 minutes ago, Donathan said: It’s these sort of attitudes that are allowing our streets to be filled with protestors openly calling for Jihad. Low level anti-semitism is abhorrent in itself, but we’ve already seen one terrorist attack carried out in the name of Palestine in the UK as the telegraph reported the other day. We don’t want any more of this happening. There are a minority of protestors who are antisemitic, but tarring the majority as you are doing is fucking nonsense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 37 minutes ago, Donathan said: Criticising Israel for defending itself against local populations who post an existential threat is where the anti-semitism comes into play. Keeping a better eye on the Gaza border fence instead of shifting troops to the West Bank to protect settlers attacking Palestinians and stealing their land might have been more effective than flattening apartment blocks and cutting off water, fuel and food to Gaza after the event. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 8 minutes ago, scottsdad said: It's all about nuance. Palestine isn't Hamas. Israel isn't Netanyahu and his government. Which at least 2 individuals on either side of this thread debate have forgotten. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 23 minutes ago, scottsdad said: It's all about nuance. Palestine isn't Hamas. Israel isn't Netanyahu and his government. This has already been covered by others. If you’re really interested scroll back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) Perhaps a wee read of this..... https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/mar/07/debunking-myth-that-anti-zionism-is-antisemitic As it happens, I'm not anti-Zionist, because I've always felt Israel had and has a right to exist. I have though, never particularly thought deeply about whether being anti-Zionist automatically means one is anti-Semitic. Donathan, imo, isn't a moron. It's fairly obvious what he's up to. Edited October 25, 2023 by beefybake 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Donathan said: Not necessarily, no. If you wanted to criticise the Israeli government for its bin collection rota or the lunch menu at the Knesset canteen, that would not constitute anti-semitism. Criticising Israel for defending itself against local populations who post an existential threat is where the anti-semitism comes into play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: This has already been covered by others. If you’re really interested scroll back. Ah, so it's been settled, then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 43 minutes ago, MazzyStar said: Name names. Did you read that as “posters”? I did first time, before a double take 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Donathan said: Not necessarily, no. If you wanted to criticise the Israeli government for its bin collection rota or the lunch menu at the Knesset canteen, that would not constitute anti-semitism. Criticising Israel for defending itself against local populations who post an existential threat is where the anti-semitism comes into play. This is islamophobic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 There's Israel bravely defending itself against women and children again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, Donathan said: Just to provide some context to the bolded part https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/22/braverman-metropolitan-police-palestine-rally-jihad-chant/ Hizb ut-Tahrir were founded by a Palestinian Islamist in response to the Nakba, ie. it was literally Israeli war crimes that motivated the group's creation: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqi_al-Din_al-Nabhani Therefore, surely folk against Israeli war crimes are the least to blame for that group's existence. Edited October 26, 2023 by Freedom Farter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Former Israeli diplomat Dan Gillerman doesn’t hold back on Sky news. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Freedom Farter said: Hizb ut-Tahrir were founded by a Palestinian Islamist in response to the Nakba, ie. it was literally Israeli war crimes that motivated the group's creation: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqi_al-Din_al-Nabhani Therefore, surely folk against Israeli war crimes are the least to blame for that group's existence. Hizb-ut-Tahrir are an odd one - support the restoration of the Caliphate but by non-violent means. It's not just Western governments that don't tolerate them but Muslim ones as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 What a disgusting man 43 minutes ago, Donathan said: Former Israeli diplomat Dan Gillerman doesn’t hold back on Sky news. Pure fascism and propaganda for genocide on Sky News, cool. Firstly he's puzzled why people would care about the deaths of civilians. He calls all Palestinians "horrible, inhuman animals" then suggests that all Palestinians are terrorists when he conflates them with the Taliban or Al-Qaeda. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 48 minutes ago, Donathan said: Former Israeli diplomat Dan Gillerman doesn’t hold back on Sky news. Conflation of Palestinians with Hamas and comparing Palestinians with Russian soldiers................ I hope he isnt a bellwether of the Israeli diplomatic mindset, or there is little chance of any humanitarian pause. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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