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1 hour ago, Billy Jean King said:

Anyone else remember the Mujahideen graffiti on the roof of the covered terrace behind the goal at Rugby Park before it was reconstructed?

Was Jim Fleeting really on the Mujahideen hate list?

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3 minutes ago, GHF-23 said:

If you were a prankster with a low regard for human life blowing up the twin towers would be a good one if we're being honest 

Inevitable that some YouTuber tries to blow up Big Ben for their "prank" channel and is astonished to be arrested.

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1 hour ago, BFTD said:

Inevitable that some YouTuber tries to blow up Big Ben for their "prank" channel and is astonished to be arrested.

You'd be better off just blowing up the tower housing Big Ben tbh.

Yours,

A. Pedant

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2 hours ago, BFTD said:

Inevitable that some YouTuber tries to blow up Big Ben for their "prank" channel and is astonished to be arrested.

 

21 minutes ago, velo army said:

You'd be better off just blowing up the tower housing Big Ben tbh.

Yours,

A. Pedant

Bell end.

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On 03/10/2024 at 08:38, Freedom Farter said:

That guy is American-educated, formerly worked for the World Bank (in Washington) and was Lebanese ambassador to USA. He's far from Hezbollah-aligned so there's no reason to doubt what he says there.

Its been clear from the outset that Netanyahu wants the conflicts to drag on because it keeps him out of jail longer.

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On 03/10/2024 at 11:11, Theyellowbox said:

Israel now killed the head of Hamas in Gaza. You'd assume that would provoke some kind of response from Iran, but I'm not sure they will.

The actions of Israel over the past few weeks in Lebanon and beyond and Irans powder puff response make Iran look pretty weak and in danger of making its proxys come to the conclusion that Iran cannot and will not help them when needed.

I think Israel feel emboldened and the hardliners in government might just think that to keep going might force a regime change in Iran. It won't and it will just cause more unnecessary bloodshed, but they might think they are up for war crimes anyway, so what's a few more. 

Iran (like other states in the region) pays lip service to the Palestinians - they'll make noises but won't do anything.  Lebanon is a different matter as they have direct involvement through their financing/supplying of Hezbollah.

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On 03/10/2024 at 21:03, welshbairn said:

Israel has spent the last 60 years making a 2 state solution impossible by turning the West Bank into a place where Palestinians have been isolated between Israeli settlements and the roads controlled by Israeli soldiers. Israeli settlers get a vote over their rulers, Palestinians don't. There are of course some Palestinians who want Israel and its Jewish population destroyed, but most just want to live in a world where your property, citizenship and all other rights aren't determined by which religion you're born into, all the way between the Jordan and the Mediterranean, and Lebanon and the Red Sea. If any other country determined rights by ethno religious origin they'd  be a pariah state.

When Fatah signed the Oslo Accords it effectively killed the 2 state solution.

Oslo 1 & 2 compounded the settlers issue because of the one-sided nature of the security arrangements.  They were hailed at the time as precursors to a 2 state solution but the fact is that both Oslo accords failed to deal with the core issues that collectively define the Israeli-Palestinian conflict such as borders, Palestinian refugees, and the status of Jerusalem.

It hasn't created a single Palestinian state but the Gaza Strip and multiple disconnected Palestinian settlements where access is controlled by 600 plus Israeli Defence Force checkpoints.

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INterview with former Lebanese PM Fouad Siniora about the situation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70zke9lqjro

The main issue facing Lebanon in dealing with the war is the fact that the state is essentially bankrupt and has fallen to pieces.  There is only a caretaker government in place, there is no President.  It was very difficult for Lebanon to respond as a state prior to these developments, it's almost impossible for them to do so now.  

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6 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Iran (like other states in the region) pays lip service to the Palestinians - they'll make noises but won't do anything.  Lebanon is a different matter as they have direct involvement through their financing/supplying of Hezbollah.

Even still though, bar throwing over a few rockets that they knew would be easily shot down, they haven't done much else directly, which I'm actually surprised at.

I think there is a lot more behind the scenes communications going on between the US and Iran that we will ever know and probably post current Israeli government (and if Trump doesn't get in) you might see more sensible relations between the US and Iran and a much damaged relationship between the US and Israel.

Folk in Lebanon and wider will only believe Iran is their protector if they actually protect them and so far that isn't happening. In part because they cannot fully and in part because I'm not convinced how much they actually want to. 

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